yellow box junction

[Dee Dee]

Hi, can anyone help me to understand why the old faded yellow box junction

at the bottom of Friern road opposite the park has been re painted. There is

no exit or entry with bollards blocking this end of Friern road so there is no longer a

junction. Would there be a fine if entered? With the

traffic lights being near there the traffic can build up in rush hour.

I have stopped in it in the past thinking it no longer existed and not received a fine

but now it is bright yellow again I'm not so sure. Has anyone else noticed?

[dimples]

I noticed this too today and I half sat in it too ?????

[TheArtfulDogger]

Money making scheme perhaps ?

James one for you to chase up if this has happened (not observed it myself)

[Sally Eva]

It is an entry and exit for cyclists. The toucan lights enable them to cross into the park and the yellow box would enables them to turn from and to Friern Road.

I don't know that this is the reason but cyclists are road users who benefit from the yellow box.

[mynamehere]

Here's some red meat for you: I'm back from a month traveling coast to coast north to south in the USA and politics aside and the probable reason of police enforcement of traffic violations.... all this ASIDE in most places US drivers stop on a dime for pedestrians and intersections are left clear of cars. TBH I'd like to see a lot more use of boxed intersections here and a lot more courtesy to pedestrians. Enjoy

[Jeremy]

In most places in the USA (except NY/SF), the sight of someone actually WALKING from place to place is such a rare thing, motorists probably stop to stare...

[mynamehere]

LOL Insane country. Very very bad stuff can happen to good people. But over all when a person even comes close to the street and looks like they might cross cars stop. Given: people cross at corners not randomly as they do here.

[sunbob]

I was wondering about this. The only reason I can think of is because it's a fire path ie: emergency vehicle drivers have a key to lay down the bollards and go through.

[Phlox]

mynamehere Wrote:

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> LOL Insane country. Very very bad stuff can happen

> to good people. But over all when a person even

> comes close to the street and looks like they

> might cross cars stop. Given: people cross at

> corners not randomly as they do here.

My US born grandmother once got a ticket from a police officer for jaywalking.

[James Barber]

Hi DeeDee,

Apologies it has taken quite so long but I have some answers for you.

The yellow box is active and will be enforced. It's there to ensure access to the end of Friern Road where in an emergency the bollards can be removed for access.

[Dee Dee]

Thanks James, I will be making sure I dont get caught in it.

[Loz]

Interesting. The law on box junctions say you can only have box junction as follows:

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"box junction" means the area of carriageway marked with yellow cross-hatching at a junction between two or more roads on which there has been placed the road marking

I would suggest that anyone who gets a ticket in this could argue that whilst the bollards are in place, it is not actually a junction and therefore the yellow box is invalid. Could be an interesting defence.

[nxjen]

Might work if the bollards were fixed but these are temporary bollards that can be lowered instantly.

[ruffers]

Loz Wrote:

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> Interesting. The law on box junctions say you can

> only have box junction as follows:

>

> "box junction" means the area of carriageway

> marked with yellow cross-hatching at a junction

> between two or more roads on which there has been

> placed the road marking

>

> I would suggest that anyone who gets a ticket in

> this could argue that whilst the bollards are in

> place, it is not actually a junction and therefore

> the yellow box is invalid. Could be an

> interesting defence.

Good luck with that.

It might be easier just to not go in the box..

[kiera]

This junction is, as stated by Sally Eva above, important for cyclists. There is a current consultation on this cycle route.

https://peckhamryedulwich.commonplace.is/