Subway coming to Lordship Lane

[Louisa]

Robert Poste's Child Wrote:

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> When you're on a budget, making a sandwich at home

> is even better value...

So someone on a budget shouldn't be able to treat themselves? Much like the rest of us do when and if we can get a table at any number of expensive eateries within artery choking distance.

Louisa.

[JohnL]

Sue Wrote:

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> Jeremy Wrote:

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> > It's borderline junk food, but am not averse to

> > the occasional Subway as a bit of a guilty

> > pleasure.

>

> I'd leave out the "borderline" :)

>

> And damn, I too thought we were getting a subway

> under the road! Maybe at that nasty junction

> opposite The Bishop,!

There already is a subway from the Bishop to the EDT

via that bit at the back of the Kebab place but not

many people know.

[rendelharris]

Louisa Wrote:

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> They might not have very healthy components to

> their offering, but I reckon almost all local food

> options - including the new MEATLiqour and Franco

> Manca, are not exactly 'healthy', cheese, fatty

> meats, bread bases. When you're on a budget

> something like Subway is a good addition compared

> to fried chicken and greasy kebabs, the other

> local budget options. At least it contains salad.

>

>

> Louisa.

With all due respect (seriously) Louisa, I hate the way unhealthy food outlets are portrayed (generally I mean, not by you) as being a friend to the poor, giving them something to eat when otherwise they'd have to go without - for the cost of a Subway you could buy two lots of relatively healthy M&S sandwiches, or a Sainsbury's pulled pork and sweet potato mash, Spanish chicken with patas bravas etc. It's up to people what they choose but let's not pretend they're forced to eat crap on economic grounds.

[Lowlander]

Jeremy Wrote:

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> Lowlander Wrote:

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> > You'd do far better getting a lamb or chicken

> wrap

> > from Kebab and Wine, or felafel, for a similar

> > price.

>

> A shish, potentially. But not a doner, no way. K&W

> don't do falafel.

>

> ontheedge Wrote:

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> > Remember reading subway food is on one of the

> > worst type of foods to eat lists, ranks way

> lower

> > than McDonalds

>

> source?

I ate a falafel wrap in kebab and wine only 2 weeks ago - it was about ?5. Delicious.

They also do baba ghanoush and other vegge options.

You can sit in or takeaway and they have a restaurant next door.

Far fresher and healthier than anything in Subway.

[Louisa]

I agree rendalharris that often healthier options are available for similar or even cheaper prices a lot of the time, even here in ED. Perhaps some take away options do exploit the 'value for money' card a lot of the time, and of course that's down to the individual to decide which options are most cost effective and healthy. However, sometimes people just prefer certain things and that's down to them. What I dislike is this nanny state approach, dictating to people do as I say and not as I do. For me personally, Franco Manca is high in salt and fat, just as unhealthy as any number of take away options locally- and yet, because it's marketed at people of a certain income bracket it therefore validates it's credentials as a healthy option. It isn't when compared to a fresh salad free from dressings at M&S, to use your example. People like what they like, and that's down to them. But for some people to bad mouth Subway when more expensive options locally are also selling unhealthy options is a little bit 'pot kettle' IMO.

Louisa.

[Jeremy]

Lowlander Wrote:

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> You can sit in or takeaway and they have a

> restaurant next door.

Sounds like you're thinking of Hisar, not K&W. The K&W "restaurant" area is at the back. They certainly never used to do falafel (although haven't been in there for a few years now).

> Far fresher and healthier than anything in Subway.

Subway... definitely not healthy, but when you look at the fast food outlets you'd realistically pitch it against, I certainly don't think it's any worse. It is what it is.

[Lowlander]

Jeremy Wrote:

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> Lowlander Wrote:

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> > You can sit in or takeaway and they have a

> > restaurant next door.

>

> Sounds like you're thinking of Hisar, not K&W. The

> K&W "restaurant" area is at the back. They

> certainly never used to do falafel (although

> haven't been in there for a few years now).

>

> > Far fresher and healthier than anything in

> Subway.

>

> Subway... definitely not healthy, but when you

> look at the fast food outlets you'd realistically

> pitch it against, I certainly don't think it's any

> worse. It is what it is.

You're right in that I got them confused. K&W do now sell falafel though, or at least did in July when I last went there.

[rendelharris]

Jeremy Wrote:

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> Subway... definitely not healthy, but when you

> look at the fast food outlets you'd realistically

> pitch it against, I certainly don't think it's any

> worse. It is what it is.

Pretty much true - the 6" meatball marinara is almost identical in terms of fat, salt and calories to a Big Mac (though that doesn't take into account the free cheese and extra sauce on offer). What I find objectionable about Subway is that they portray themselves as a healthy alternative with their salad bars etc, even working with Heart Research UK and the government to say they promote healthy eating - I've known some pretty sensible parents say they were pleased their kids were getting Subways for lunch as it was so much better than them eating in MacDonalds. So no, they're not much worse, but they sucker people in by pretending to be much better.

[Robert Poste's Child]

Louisa Wrote:

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> Robert Poste's Child Wrote:

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> > When you're on a budget, making a sandwich at

> home

> > is even better value...

>

>

> So someone on a budget shouldn't be able to treat

> themselves? Much like the rest of us do when and

> if we can get a table at any number of expensive

> eateries within artery choking distance.

>

> Louisa.

Silly attempt to put words into my mouth, Louisa. I was responding to your own point about being on a budget, which for most people (me included - never been to anywhere expensive locally as it happens) implies controlling discretionary spending. If you read my earlier post you'll see I have no problem with people choosing to eat at Subway if they like that kind of thing.

[Chief]

Subway will be good for the ever-increasing band of selfish, laptop squatters in East Dulwich - they generally don't eat anything at the venues that they occupy, so they could all congregate in Subway ..... and still stay healthy!

PS the added bonus would be that they wouldn't irritate the rest of us who actually enjoy purchasing food and drinks in Lordship Lane, rather than using commercial outlets as a 'free good'.

[rendelharris]

Chief Wrote:

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> Subway will be good for the ever-increasing band

> of selfish, laptop squatters in East Dulwich -

> they generally don't eat anything at the venues

> that they occupy, so they could all congregate in

> Subway ..... and still stay healthy!

> PS the added bonus would be that they wouldn't

> irritate the rest of us who actually enjoy

> purchasing food and drinks in Lordship Lane,

> rather than using commercial outlets as a 'free

> good'.

Given the size of the outlet as detailed in Louisa's original attachment, which shows Subway will be taking over half of a small newsagent's, I doubt there'll be any sit down space for either eating or using a laptop, it looks like a takeaway only outlet to me. Which, sadly but inevitably, will probably increase litter problems on LL...

[DulwichFox]

Lowlander Wrote:

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> Jeremy Wrote:

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> > Lowlander Wrote:

> >

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>

> > -----

> > > You'd do far better getting a lamb or chicken

> > wrap

> > > from Kebab and Wine, or felafel, for a

> similar

> > > price.

> >

> > A shish, potentially. But not a doner, no way.

> K&W

> > don't do falafel.

> >

> > ontheedge Wrote:

> >

> --------------------------------------------------

>

> > -----

> > > Remember reading subway food is on one of the

> > > worst type of foods to eat lists, ranks way

> > lower

> > > than McDonalds

> >

> > source?

>

> I ate a falafel wrap in kebab and wine only 2

> weeks ago - it was about ?5. Delicious.

>

> They also do baba ghanoush and other vegge

> options.

>

> You can sit in or takeaway and they have a

> restaurant next door.

>

> Far fresher and healthier than anything in Subway.

I think you may be refering to Hisar... Which has a Cafe style sit down and a main Restaurant next door.

There is a Sit down area at K&W upstairs at the back.. but only really used for late night drinking.

DulwichFox

ETA K&W does Falafel Wrap on their menu.. and I have seen it on the on the front counter.

[Dog duck]

Louisa Wrote:

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> I agree rendalharris that often healthier options

> are available for similar or even cheaper prices a

> lot of the time, even here in ED. Perhaps some

> take away options do exploit the 'value for money'

> card a lot of the time, and of course that's down

> to the individual to decide which options are most

> cost effective and healthy. However, sometimes

> people just prefer certain things and that's down

> to them. What I dislike is this nanny state

> approach, dictating to people do as I say and not

> as I do. For me personally, Franco Manca is high

> in salt and fat, just as unhealthy as any number

> of take away options locally- and yet, because

> it's marketed at people of a certain income

> bracket it therefore validates it's credentials as

> a healthy option. It isn't when compared to a

> fresh salad free from dressings at M&S, to use

> your example. People like what they like, and

> that's down to them. But for some people to bad

> mouth Subway when more expensive options locally

> are also selling unhealthy options is a little bit

> 'pot kettle' IMO.

>

> Louisa.

Oh god here we go... again

[FJDGoose]

Dog duck Wrote:

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> Louisa Wrote:

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> > I agree rendalharris that often healthier

> options

> > are available for similar or even cheaper prices

> a

> > lot of the time, even here in ED. Perhaps some

> > take away options do exploit the 'value for

> money'

> > card a lot of the time, and of course that's

> down

> > to the individual to decide which options are

> most

> > cost effective and healthy. However, sometimes

> > people just prefer certain things and that's

> down

> > to them. What I dislike is this nanny state

> > approach, dictating to people do as I say and

> not

> > as I do. For me personally, Franco Manca is

> high

> > in salt and fat, just as unhealthy as any

> number

> > of take away options locally- and yet, because

> > it's marketed at people of a certain income

> > bracket it therefore validates it's credentials

> as

> > a healthy option. It isn't when compared to a

> > fresh salad free from dressings at M&S, to use

> > your example. People like what they like, and

> > that's down to them. But for some people to bad

> > mouth Subway when more expensive options

> locally

> > are also selling unhealthy options is a little

> bit

> > 'pot kettle' IMO.

> >

> > Louisa.

>

>

> Oh god here we go... again

Yep - so it seems

[Earl Aelfheah]

Not great.

[Sue]

How do you make out that Franco Manca is marketed at "people of a certain income bracket", Louisa?

It's one of the cheapest places to eat round here, and certainly very good value for money given the quality of the food.

We don't all want to eat ultra healthy vegan stews and salads every time we eat out. I don't see what is so extremely unhealthy about a sourdough pizza.

And Franco Manca sell very delicious salads to accompany their pizzas, anyway.

ETA: And for what it's worth, on the basis of my limited experience of Subway I think their food is pretty crap and not good value for money.

[Dulwich Born And Bred]

I was more referring to Badgers Bakery , Truly Scrumptious Bakery, BlackBirds and the greasy spoons whereby you can grab a sandwich .

Jeremy Wrote:

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> DulwichBorn&Bred Wrote:

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> > I can't see it succeeding personally given all

> the other tastier

> > places to eat on the lane with our cafes and

> bakeries

>

> I think you're kind of missing the point. It's not

> competing with Boulangerie Jade or Brick House...

> it's more of an alternative to fried chicken or a

> kebab.

[Louisa]

Sue Wrote:

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> How do you make out that Franco Manca is marketed

> at "people of a certain income bracket", Louisa?

>

> It's one of the cheapest places to eat round here,

> and certainly very good value for money given the

> quality of the food.

>

> We don't all want to eat ultra healthy vegan stews

> and salads every time we eat out. I don't see what

> is so extremely unhealthy about a sourdough

> pizza.

>

> And Franco Manca sell very delicious salads to

> accompany their pizzas, anyway.

>

> ETA: And for what it's worth, on the basis of my

> limited experience of Subway I think their food is

> pretty crap and not good value for money.

So because I mention something you enjoy not being healthy, which lets face it, it's not. You enjoy this food, that's fine, but it doesn't somehow make it healthy. Pizza is not healthy, neither are burgers (in excess). Lots of fatty cheese and meats, olive oil, dressings, carbs etc

Some other people enjoy Subway, also not healthy in excess, but because you don't like it or believe it's not value for money it makes it worse than Franco Manca on the health front? I am as ever confused and bewildered by the EDF.

Louisa.

[Louisa]

And I've also spoken to people who are into pizza, and on the value for money front Franco Manca isn't in the same league as Pizza Express for example, who offer voucher code deals and free bottles of prosecco for birthdays or special occasions with a code. Subway also offer voucher code deals and meal deals on a regular basis. Do FM also do this?

Genuine question, if me and Mr L went into FM and ordered a starter bottle of wine and pizza each maybe a side salad to share too, how much would it roughly cost compared to Pizza Express with its voucher code options?

Louisa.

[KidKruger]

Check the menu prices on their website.

WYLMTGTFY ?

[DulwichFox]

I have to agree with Sue.. Franco Manca is not expensive...

The problem with Pizza is not the Pizza it's the way people eat it..

Simple plain pizzas are a healthier choice than those with all the toppings which can contain a lot of salt.

Also all Pizza including sourdough are very calorific.. While a slice of Pizza is probably fine..

..eating a whole 12" Pizza is not good. 1,176 Calories. on average.

So not entirely junk food but good in moderation. Suggested serving size for 12" Pizza is 1/8 of the pizza.

DulwichFox

[Robert Poste's Child]

If you and Mr L go to Franco Manca after this, they could be forgiven for asking you to leave...

[Louisa]

Foxy that's not my point.

My point is simple.

People: Subway isn't good value for money and isn't healthy.

Me: neither are lots of things you constantly bang on about on the forum.

People: but that's different because I enjoy it.

Me: how is that different? It's still not healthy and the prices aren't cheaper, in fact they're often more expensive. Just because you enjoy them doesn't make them superior to something someone else enjoys.

People: yes it does because I enjoy it.

END OF DISCUSSION.

Louisa.

[KidKruger]

So that's sorted.

Which newsagent is going to be Subway, the one next to Surma ?

[*Bob*]

I've never been into a Subway.

It's the colours they've chosen for their logo. Put me off right from the start. Dunno why.