M&S

[Elphinstone's Army]

titch juicy, thank you, for your kind comment,

[Louisa]

edhistory Wrote:

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> Change to A3 (restaurant) usage is prohibited

> under the legal derogation.

This seems to contradict the planning portal.

93-95 (Londis) - taken directly from the planning application.

"Change of Use of ground floor of Class A1 retail property to provide class A3 (resturant/cafe) including new shop front, installation of rear extraction duct with existing rear access to bin store and single storey rear extension. New two storey extension to provide 4 no. 2 bed apartments."

planbuild.southwark.gov.uk:8190/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=externalDocuments&keyVal=_STHWR_DCAPR_9565748

Louisa.

[Elphinstone's Army]

geneie Wrote:

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> The Lordship Kane equivalent for Home and Colonial

> stores was the wonderful David Greigs shop, with

> all the things Elphinstone's army describes. I

> loved going shopping with my mum there on a

> Thursday, which was when she collected her

> housekeeping money from the Midland Bank, moving

> from counter to counter...

hello genieie, I looked this up and it is Le Chardon, and apparently still has the original tiled floor.

We are all now sleuths and historians, and architectural detectives are we not, housekeeping money, I remember my Mum having that and a red Accounts Book, carefully, prudently and meticulously accounted. And asking for a rise in the housekeeping when my little brother was born. It was lovely to read your sentimental post...

[Elphinstone's Army]

Louisa Wrote:

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> On the topic of the future of Londis, I was under

> the impression Bill's were interested. They are a

> higher end small chain of restaurants, with the

> nearest branch being Greenwich I believe, possibly

> Clapham too. A modern take on traditional

> favourites, they also serve breakfast. Initially I

> was under the impression Nando's were the likely

> candidate, but it's still all a little hush hush.

I have been into Bills's in cambridge, it is seriously funky and studenty as you would imagine, wood and hard surfaces and barrels.

However they did not have a vegetarian/vegan dish or the sea bass, sold out, so we left and had the best breakfast ever, (at midday) at a tea shop opposite, very pink and chi chi, life is full of surprises.

harrietts on Green Street (I just looked it up) should you find yourself lost and hungry in Cambridge, looking for Kettles Yard.

Anyway,

We were informed that Londis would morph into Costa this time last year. However, it could have been used as a generic term for coffee shop in much the same way we say Hoover or Corn Flakes, who knows. I use it for the occasional bottle of wine when on offer and to pay the water rates. That's all. However it is open round the clock for shift workers, must be a boon to them, and KCH staff, and those with a late late night thirst.

>

> Louisa's

[edhistory]

Louisa Wrote:

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under the legal derogation.

>

> This seems to contradict the planning portal.

>

That's right the information only applies selectively within Southwark. There are other protected frontages in Southwark.

This is a legal derogation as permitted under the national planning legislation. The legal document is quite interesting and it has the Seal of the Mayor Burgesses. Quite medieval. (See attached graphic).

It doesn't guarantee a commercial interest won't try to circumvent the derogation.

I'd be surprised if a planning officer ignored its legal status.

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[nxjen]

Elphinstone's Army Wrote:

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> hello genieie, I looked this up and it is Le

> Chardon, and apparently still has the original

> tiled floor.

>

I believe Chardon is French for thistle which was the logo of the David Greig stores.

[Elphinstone's Army]

Well done nxjen! I was slow off the mark there wasn't I, another piece of history uncovered,

and how respectful and clever to name the restaurant Chardon.

[Elphinstone's Army]

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> Elphinstone's Army wrote:-

>

> I believe they were taken over by Lipton's, Foxy

> will know, and were smartened up.

>

>

> Between 1924 and 1931, several stores, including

> Liptons merged with Home & Colonial to form a

> company with over 3,000 branches.

>

> Crikey.. I'm not that old... But I sort of

> remember Home and Colonial Stores possibly from

> Bargoed in South Wales where my grand

> parents(dad's side) lived ..

>

>

> https://www.peoplescollection.wales/sites/pcw/file

> s/styles/item_detail/public/images/2015/November/A

> unty%20Eileen%20Thomas%20at%20work.jpg?itok=5AJfIS

> O_

> Home & Colonial Store in Bargoed in the 1950?s or

> 1960?s

>

> How times things have changed.

>

> Foxy

hello Foxy, thank you for this !

The shop I am remembering was in Nottingham, - this would have been 1960/l ish, as we moved back at that time.

I recall that shopping was a complex serious, lengthy process, which is why there was always a chair at the counter.

Is this your family photo you are sharing with us? Thank you, this is better or as good as a memory.

[Jennys]

David Greig had its headquarters first in Brixton and then at 144 Waterloo Rad. The Waterloo building still has their logo on it.

[Dulwich Born And Bred]

On Facebook they said The sales floor is 5,568 sq foot.

dhistory Wrote:

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> first mate Wrote:

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> > Looks enormous inside...as big as co-op.

>

> Is it larger than the size authorised by the

> planning permission?

[DulwichFox]

Elphinstone's Army Wrote:

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Is this your family photo you are sharing with us?

Thank you, this is better or as good as a memory.

No. I just Googled Home & Colonial Store Bargoed because I seemed to of remembered it.

I would think my relatives at the time would of known the people in that picture.

Bargoed was a tiny place back then..

Foxy

[edhistory]

DulwichBorn&Bred Wrote:

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> On Facebook they said The sales floor is 5,568 sq foot.

Thanks for that.

So M&S is claiming 517 square metres.

That's an increase of 97 square metres or an extra 23%.

Let's wait and see how the District Valuer measures it.