Cycling: issues/noticeboard

[taper]

katanita Wrote:

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> My condolences Annabel, so sorry to hear about

> your son.

>

> Tragically it seems another cyclist has been

> killed on the roads today, on Camberwell Road. No

> report I can find yet but apparently via Met

> Police

> https://twitter.com/se5/status/402421158001516544.

> From the sounds of it the area is cordoned off and

> best avoided at the moment.

>

> If anyone ever wants cycling routes from ED that

> avoid main roads let me know, I take back streets

> wherever I can to avoid coming into contact with

> lots of traffic or large vehicles so have quite a

> lot of routes I can suggest e.g. ones that avoid

> using Camberwell/Walworth road, or Camberwell New

> Road.

>

> I'm not sure what this horrible recent spate of

> deaths is about, I just hope it leads to action on

> cycle safety and better provision for cyclists on

> the raod.

The grim details here:

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/male-cyclist-in-his-60s-dies-in-crash-with-lorry-at-camberwell-road-8947110.html

That is a very nasty junction indeed and the road surface is awful. As you say, best avoided - by using Portland street 400 yards east of there.

[annabel42]

Thank you all again for your messages of condolence and support.

As requested, here are the arrangements for the services for my son, Roger de Klerk.

Thursday 28 November 1.45 p.m. funeral service at St Bartholomews Church, Sydenham.

3.15 p.m. Cremation service at Honor Oak Crematorium, Brenchley Gardens.

Thereafter gathering at a nearby venue (pub) to be arranged and notified.

If any reporters are reading this, please could I ask them to respect the family's wishes and to stay away?

[Applespider]

Thanks annabel42. I'll see what I can rearrange at work and try to be there.

[annabel42]

As requested, here are the finalised details for my son Roger's funeral on 28 November:

1.45 p.m. Funeral Service, St Bartholomews Church, Westwood Hill, Sydenham.

3.15 p.m. Cremation Service, Honor Oak Crematorium, Brenchley Gardens.

3.45 onwards The Dolphin (pub) 121 Sydenham Road, Sydenham.

Everyone is welcome, but I request that the media leave us in peace.

Thank you all so much for your support.

Ann de Klerk

[LadyDeliah]

Inquest on 2011 cyclist death.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/cycle-death-inquest-boyfriend-hugs-driver-of-32-tonne-tipper-truck-that-killed-his-girlfriend-9016543.html

Other vehicles in the advanced stop box and poor cycle provision contributed.

[Townleygreen]

thankyou for posting this ladyd. awful indicment of tfl and shows need for separation of cycle traffic from vehicles.

[Laddy Muck]

Townleygreen Wrote:

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> thankyou for posting this ladyd. awful indicment

> of tfl and shows need for separation of cycle

> traffic from vehicles.

Yes, thank you LadyD.

TG, is this the sort of thing you had in mind? I love it! http://www.highsnobiety.com/2014/01/03/skycycle-aims-to-transform-london-into-cycling-utopia/

[Townleygreen]

Well yes that would be amazing,LM

[Saturn 5]

Progress!!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/auto-ban-how-hamburg-is-taking-cars-off-the-road-9062461.html

[AGW3]

Terrible. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/search-for-cyclist-after-alleged-attack-on-london-road-caught-on-youtube-video-9081104.html?origin=internalSearch

[LadyDeliah]

AGW3 Wrote:

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> Terrible.

> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/search-

> for-cyclist-after-alleged-attack-on-london-road-ca

> ught-on-youtube-video-9081104.html?origin=internal

> Search

"The footage comes amid growing concerns over cyclist safety in London. 14 cyclist died in the capital in 2013, and in November, the Metropolitan Police began deploying officers at 166 key junctions to stop people breaking road traffic laws in an attempt to make roads safer"

No they mainly pulled cyclists for cycling on pavements and going through red lights. Very few law breaking motorists were pulled.

Awful footage though. I've had many similar altercations but haven't had any resulting in a punch up. Had a bus drive right accross the junction about an inch away from me, where Rye Lane cycle contraflow bit is, because I had stopped past the red cycle stop light. I've got it on my helmet-cam so I'm going to send it to Arriva and hope the arsehole loses his job.

[katanita]

Not sure that's quite right Lady Deliah, many more drivers were given penalty notices than cyclists (e.g. see http://road.cc/content/news/106434-metropolitan-police-says-operation-safeway-has-changed-road-users-behaviour) but there were certainly lots of anecdotal reports of cyclists being pulled over when doing nothing wrong, including one where a rookie police officer pulled over an off duty superior to tell him off for something stupid. I wish I could find that link, it was pretty funny.

>

> "The footage comes amid growing concerns over

> cyclist safety in London. 14 cyclist died in the

> capital in 2013, and in November, the Metropolitan

> Police began deploying officers at 166 key

> junctions to stop people breaking road traffic

> laws in an attempt to make roads safer"

>

> No they mainly pulled cyclists for cycling on

> pavements and going through red lights. Very few

> law breaking motorists were pulled.

[LadyDeliah]

After the deaths, a senior police officer told police to target cyclists, not motorists:

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/public/cyclesafety/article3933789.ece

This was criticised a week or so ago by the Transport minister and has since been pulled. But yes, they were targeting cyclists far more than motorists when they did the traffic offences swoop.

[Applespider]

I saw both motorists and cyclists being pulled over. There are certainly fewer moped riders in the ASLs now which is where I saw them paying most attention. Aside from the first day where they were pulling over those not in high vis or helmets, any other cyclist that I saw being collared deserved it (jumped lights or no lights)

I did see that quote at the time but I believe it was retracted shortly afterwards.

[katanita]

It was, I think the met police said that a directive from higher up about a quota for all tickets (not just for cyclists, for motorists as well) had been misinterpreted by someone down the chain as being just for cyclists and they sent out a memo to that effect.

Applespider Wrote:

> I did see that quote at the time but I believe it

> was retracted shortly afterwards.

[LadyDeliah]

It was the police who reversed the cycle target policy which had been sent out by a senior officer in a memo, not the paper who retracted the story.

So the policy was in force, senior officer was criticised after it came out and policy was reversed.

[binary_star]

"Boris Johnson announced today a plan to invest ?290 million into making 33 of London?s most unfriendly roundabouts and junctions safer. The plan includes segregated cycle lanes and a redesign to signalling systems giving cyclists and pedestrians priority."

http://now-here-this.timeout.com/2014/02/26/a-future-of-safer-cycling-lies-ahead-with-new-290m-plan-to-make-london-roundabouts-safer/

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[Laddy Muck]

binary_star Wrote:

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> "Boris Johnson announced today a plan to invest

> ?290 million into making 33 of London?s most

> unfriendly roundabouts and junctions safer..."

I notice that the Hyde Park Corner thingy isn't on the list...BAH!

[Applespider]

I saw this and look forward to seeing the results of Vauxhall Cross particularly since I go round it every day. I was surprised to see that Stockwell counts as a gyratory though.

[Saturn 5]

i agree with you Applespider, Vauxhall is an absolute nightmare. It was given token "improvements" a few years ago but still massively inadequate especially at rush hour.

Applespider Wrote:

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> I saw this and look forward to seeing the results

> of Vauxhall Cross particularly since I go round it

> every day. I was surprised to see that Stockwell

> counts as a gyratory though.

[Sue]

Apologies for posting this on here, but I can't find the thread which was discussing it.

Does anybody know what is happening about the secure cycle hangers (?) which were being considered for various local roads? I applied for one in Ulverscroft Road but haven't heard anything since.

I'm keen to get a bike but have nowhere suitable to store one, and I'd definitely start cycling if I had somewhere safe to keep the bike.

If someone could post the link to the original thread that would be useful, then I can post on there instead of here.

[ianr]

Sue, try a search for "hangar".

[Sue]

ianr Wrote:

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> Sue, try a search for "hangar".

xxxxxx

Thanks! I did think I might have spelled it wrong :))

[LadyDeliah]

From 17th March, loads of cycling kit in Lidl:

http://www.lidl.co.uk/cps/rde/SID-7133229B-F28B08C4/www_lidl_uk/hs.xsl/our-offers-2491.htm?id=240

I find most their stuff well made and a good price. The lights are a bit big and I'm not sure about their paniers, but I like their front box thing and their cycling clothes.