This is now a full blown constitutional crisis....

[Loz]

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> > > Effectivly the ?350m is correct. It's like your wages.. You get what is left after Tax. National

> > > Insr. & stoppages.

> >

> > Foxy, even Farage has admitted the ?350m/week

> > figure was a bare-faced lie.

> >

> > And your analogy is wrong. It's more like getting 40% off a ?1000 television, and then telling

> > everyone you paid ?1000 for your TV. It's a lie.

>

> Dont see the connection.. but along the same lines

>

> Its like paying ?53 ffor a t-shirt marked down

> from ?75.00* and thinking you have saved ?22.00

> when its only worth ?6.00

>

I think you are now being purposely obtuse, Foxy. No one is that stupid.

I notice you also skipped over the fact that Farage has admitted the ?350m/week was a lie.

[Seabag]

No matter what, the silly old Fox won't back down

Even if he was on fire, he'd not admit it was burning him

He's got O.D.D I reckon, so ignore him, it's a waste of your effort, it's pure attention seeking on his behalf

But if you want Morris dancing or a card trick, he's your go to guy

[DulwichFox]

Loz Wrote:

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> > > DulwichFox Wrote:

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> > >

> > > > Effectivly the ?350m is correct. It's like

> your wages.. You get what is left after Tax.

> National

> > > > Insr. & stoppages.

> > >

> > > Foxy, even Farage has admitted the ?350m/week

> > > figure was a bare-faced lie.

> > >

> > > And your analogy is wrong. It's more like

> getting 40% off a ?1000 television, and then

> telling

> > > everyone you paid ?1000 for your TV. It's a

> lie.

> >

> > Dont see the connection.. but along the same

> lines

> >

> > Its like paying ?53 ffor a t-shirt marked down

> > from ?75.00* and thinking you have saved ?22.00

>

> > when its only worth ?6.00

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> I think you are now being purposely obtuse, Foxy.

> No one is that stupid.

>

> I notice you also skipped over the fact that

> Farage has admitted the ?350m/week was a lie.

And I notice that you missed out the bit where I said that the offer was in an E.D. Shop.. Question Air in fact

and there are people that stupid.

Foxy.

[Louisa]

Foxy, you know I respect your valued opinions on this forum, and I would never knowingly undermine you. But on this one you are wrong I'm afraid. Sometimes it's better to hold your hands up and just admit, look I've got it wrong.

We have been lied to on this and I honestly believe we will come to regret our decision.

Louisa.

[DulwichFox]

Seabag Wrote:

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> No matter what, the silly old Fox won't back down

>

> Even if he was on fire, he'd not admit it was

> burning him

>

> He's got O.D.D I reckon, so ignore him, it's a

> waste of your effort, it's pure attention seeking

> on his behalf

>

> But if you want Morris dancing or a card trick,

> he's your go to guy

Gave up dancing in 1992.. so sorry, cant help you ..

As for O.D.D.

My boss once said. Bad Points

**** will never let the subject drop and will continue arguing his point

... Then he said.. Good Points

**** is a good engineer. He will never give on any Technical Problem until he finds a solution.

Yep I am tenacious. That is true. But tenacious people who may really wind some people up are good problem solvers and get things done.

And do not go on about narcissism... I am defending the O.D.D. accusation.

Foxy.

[Lordship 516]

Louisa Wrote:

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> I have respect for people's opinion, but on this I

> can no longer justify the decision that has been

> made. Not only have we, the brexit supporters been

> lied to in a big way. We have also overseen the

> potential collapse of our political system as well

> as upsetting the international community, many of

> them close friends and allies. We have also

> allowed a vacuum to develop in which some rather

> distasteful opinions have emerged which are making

> some people who are guests and great contributors

> to our country feel unwelcome and deeply

> troubled.

>

> Foxy and toffee, you have both been lied to on

> this and that really isn't any exaggeration. We

> need to respect the fact that some people have

> been hit quite hard by this decision we have made

> and it seems to me that we should now have a

> period of calm reflection, in which some of us

> hold our hands up, admit we have been wrong- and

> somehow help to fix the mess we have unknowingly

> unleashed on the population.

>

> Louisa.

Respect, Louisa..!

[Lordship 516]

This opinion is well worth a read for those that care.....

https://ukconstitutionallaw.org/2014/11/19/alexander-horne-and-richard-kelly-prerogative-powers-and-the-fixed-term-parliaments-act/

[Lordship 516]

Early election..?

Under the Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 there are only two ways to get an early General Election 1] Under the Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 only a motion explicitly resolving "That this House has no confidence in Her Majesty's Government" is treated as a motion of no confidence which, if carried, triggers a general election. A government can lose a vote of no confidence by a majority of just over 50%, requiring it to resign. Parliament will be dissolved if no new government can be formed within 14 days of a no-confidence vote. 2] The Act also permits early dissolution if the House of Commons votes by a supermajority of two-thirds. The second option is unlikely to happen. The first will be unpalatable to the incumbent government so how viable is an early election..? Should these not occur, the election will take place on 7 May 2020.

Alternatively they could repeal the Act entirely but what about the Lords & other legal challenges..?

[WorkingMummy]

Hmm. Yes. Bloody good point that.

[Blah Blah]

Yes I don't think it will suit Labour to have an early election (they have no money for one right now), so can not see a challenge to the Fixed Term Parliaments Act being sucessful through the house. Repeal of the Act would also take time.

[Administrator]

Hi Louisa

In light of your post and the fact you're being honest in admitting your decision was wrong, I find that very admirable and you have the freedom of the forum back. Of course if you hijack threads and take them down the class warfare route again you will be sectioned again but in the meantime... go make hay...

Louisa Wrote:

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> Foxy, you know I respect your valued opinions on

> this forum, and I would never knowingly undermine

> you. But on this one you are wrong I'm afraid.

> Sometimes it's better to hold your hands up and

> just admit, look I've got it wrong.

>

> We have been lied to on this and I honestly

> believe we will come to regret our decision.

>

> Louisa.

[*Bob*]

Victory!

"Speech! Speech!.."

[nxjen]

Bravo!

[TE44]

Administrator Wrote:

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> Hi Louisa

>

> In light of your post and the fact you're being

> honest in admitting your decision was wrong, I

> find that very admirable and you have the freedom

> of the forum back. Of course if you hijack threads

> and take them down the class warfare route again

> you will be sectioned again but in the meantime...

> go make hay...

>

> Louisa Wrote:

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> > Foxy, you know I respect your valued opinions

> on

> > this forum, and I would never knowingly

> undermine

> > you. But on this one you are wrong I'm afraid.

> > Sometimes it's better to hold your hands up and

> > just admit, look I've got it wrong.

> >

> > We have been lied to on this and I honestly

> > believe we will come to regret our decision.

> >

> > Louisa.

Sorry for going pff topic but this reminds me of

last nights Game of Thrones. Repent and obey, watch out for the wyldefire Louisa.

[johnie]

Well done administrator, good call.

I never thought I'd be saying this BTW.

[Louisa]

Thankyou Admin for my reinstatement. I shall weigh up my options, and consider whether I want to spark the EDF version of Article 50, by once again posting outside of the Lounge.

I think it is only right to accept the fact that I am a polarising figure, and my return to the rest of the forum will cause some turmoil for a brief period at least. At this time of forum uncertainty, let me be clear. I shall not be posting in the main section anything regarding class, hipsters, yummy mummies or gastropubs. I will however, speak my mind about the coming of M&S and its detrimental effect on the local population (from all social classes), and my sadness at the loss of Iceland.

Finally, let me just say this. It has been a pleasure being confined to the lounge this last year. I have discovered a new purpose, a purpose far beyond the neatly trimmed hedgerows of ED. I can now admit when I am wrong, and I can weigh up my options before coming in full throttle.

Louisa.

[Loz]

I think there is more than a little irony in admin announcing Lou's reinstatement on the "This is now a full blown constitutional crisis" thread.

[citylover]

Note to JoeLeg- no, not on medication nor in total denial, rather a pragmatist who just gets on with the job, and knows we've been through worse. I would suggest that patronising comments such as yours from a supposed position of superiority is what had nearly 17 & a half million of us screaming for the leave button! Sigh.

[JoeLeg]

Edited because I wrote a long reply to citylover, realised they aren't worth it, so I'll just say this...

Stay classy Brexiters, stay classy...

[Blah Blah]

Hoorah for Louisa. Would have hated to see a forum breakway group - that seems to be the next stage of politic procedings for the Labour Party (according to the Guardian).