Seabag Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 I liked the idea of Boaty McBoatFaceSeems that even tho 'we' did, others didn'tWeird how shit goes eh! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/111980-eu-petition/page/7/#findComment-1015160 Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartblock Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 Yes good point - set a precedent for ignoring a popular vote Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/111980-eu-petition/page/7/#findComment-1015165 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorkingMummy Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 JoeLeg Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> But surely if Article 50 already allows for Govts> to use it, they don't need an Act to go down that> road? > > (Seriously, I've been lacking on sleep lately so> it's possible I'm being really thick about this,> but nowhere have I seen anything that said> Parliament needed to be consulted. Very happy to> be wrong about it)Triggering article 50 is the perogative of the government (international relations and treaty formation/conclusion always are). Legally a PM does not need legislation to do it. Practically speaking though, for a move as big as article 50, the government needs a mandate. They could have debated it in parliament and then voted on a motion. They chose to legislate the EU Referendum Act 2015 instead. So we all had our say. The result has no legal effect. But it is an expression of will.Now. Cameron had a mandate to use his executive powers and invoke Article 50. But he has declined to do it. Any everyone else is rapidly realising that article 50 is suicide and they don't want to do it either, after all. Whoever is the next PM, he/she will need a mandate to invoke it. And given the events of the last few days, may resort to legislation and parliamentary debate to try to avoid pushing the nuclear button that is Article 50.Alongside this, because ultimately in our constitution Parliament is sovereign, Parliament can (and might) table a bill without government support, aimed at either blocking article 50 or triggering article 50 themselves.So, loads going on. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/111980-eu-petition/page/7/#findComment-1015176 Share on other sites More sharing options...
citylover Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 Blabla- yes I do, and this country has always been split, it's a sign of how healthy we are with all our different opinions. A single family will even have splits and huge differences of opinion- what's the problem? It's so egotistical to try and force others to think 'your' (in the general sense) way. Would Leavers have demanded a re-run? I don't think so, it's more of a far-leftist trait, protesting against "wrong" results whether it's a general election or the ref, always seems to be due to people being 'misled' or similar nonsense. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/111980-eu-petition/page/7/#findComment-1016656 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLeg Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 citylover Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Blabla- yes I do, and this country has always been> split, it's a sign of how healthy we are with all> our different opinions.But you think that the Remain voters were patronising towards you? How can you see that as healthy?A single family will even> have splits and huge differences of opinion-> what's the problem? It's so egotistical to try and> force others to think 'your' (in the general> sense) way. Would Leavers have demanded a re-run?Nigel Farage said a 52% vote in favour of Remain would be grounds for a new referendum. Now I doubt you are a Farage supporter, and I doubt you agree with him, but many are and do. > I don't think so, it's more of a far-leftist> trait, protesting against "wrong" results I'll agree with that. But then they also tend to lose more often, which is a different debate entirely.whether> it's a general election or the ref, always seems> to be due to people being 'misled' or similar> nonsense.Look, don't take this the wrong way (again), but there's ample evidence that the Leace campaign includes some serious misleading, to be charitable about it. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/111980-eu-petition/page/7/#findComment-1016666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoozieW Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 4 million plus, plus one Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/111980-eu-petition/page/7/#findComment-1016668 Share on other sites More sharing options...
red devil Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 citylover, Leave supporters were coming up with excuses/conspiracies before a vote had even been cast, advising Leave voters to take a pen with them when they voted so that 'they couldn't change your vote'. So to say they wouldn't have protested had Remain won is naive in the extreme... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/111980-eu-petition/page/7/#findComment-1016674 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blah Blah Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 I agree. If the vote had gone either way on a 3.8% margin, the losing side would be arguing for the same - be it leave or remain.It's an issue and split that many people people don't understand the complexity of, and a narrow win was always going to lead to fierce division on what happens now. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/111980-eu-petition/page/7/#findComment-1016691 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loz Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 citylover Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Would Leavers have demanded a re-run? I don't think so, it's more of a far-leftist> trait, protesting against "wrong" results whether it's a general election or the ref, always seems> to be due to people being 'misled' or similar nonsense.The problem with your theory is that a Leaver stated the petition, back at a time when they thought they would lose.Plus, Farage said repeatedly that a close result would mean he would push for a second referendum (again, when he thought he would lose). http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nigel-farage-wants-second-referendum-7985017So, would Leavers have demanded a re-run? Quite demonstrably yes. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/111980-eu-petition/page/7/#findComment-1016790 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Aelfheah Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 Can someone send a bus out with, "demand a second referendum and everyone gets a unicorn that shits candy and cries lemonade" written on it? We'll soon have this thing sorted. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/111980-eu-petition/page/7/#findComment-1016797 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Aelfheah Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 ... People believe stuff written on buses. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/111980-eu-petition/page/7/#findComment-1016885 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jules-and-Boo Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 If....if....if.... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/111980-eu-petition/page/7/#findComment-1016888 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jules-and-Boo Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 IF Gove gets in - we've completely had it.... Worst case scenario.Dismantling of NHS (he wants to privatize it)Destruction of our schoolsWar - no doubt - he though the middle east / Iraq conflict was a peaceful endeavor.IF the British people keep fighting amongst themselves, we will be open to this kind of false promise.... i.e that he can unite/ have our best interests at heart etc... when all the time just planning to destroy everything - he is a truly dangerous man. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/111980-eu-petition/page/7/#findComment-1016907 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLeg Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 Enemy of my enemy is my fried and all that.Bring on May! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/111980-eu-petition/page/7/#findComment-1016919 Share on other sites More sharing options...
???? Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 May has in her leadership pitch:- dropped Osbourne's law on balancing budget- dropped tory pland to scrap ECHRCI think she'd be a great negotiator for us in Brexit talks, if I'm honest.So hope she wins. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/111980-eu-petition/page/7/#findComment-1016929 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordship 516 Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 - dropped Osbourne's law on balancing budget - dropped tory pland to scrap ECHRC These have been IDS positions for some time so I suppose he is backing her ? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/111980-eu-petition/page/7/#findComment-1017229 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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