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charliecharlie

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Just to clarify.... Dirtybox, in case there was any confusion about the point I was trying to make...


The final count goes something like this....

Conservative 10,706,647

Labour 8,604,358

Liberal Dem 6,827,938


Labour and Lib dem are both left of centre so 15,408,716 people do not want a right of centre party in power (nearly 5,000,000 more than do want a right wing government... rock on the Lib Lab coalition

Mick Mac

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charliecharlie Wrote:

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> Labour and Lib dem are both left of centre so

> 15,408,716 people do not want a right of centre

> party in power (nearly 5,000,000 more than do want

> a right wing government... rock on the Lib Lab

> coalition


Unfortunatley CC it seems that Clegg has forgotten that people who voted for him and his party mostly wanted a left of centre government and he is probably going to give them a right of centre government - exactly what they did not vote for.

peckhamboy

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charliecharlie Wrote:

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> results so far...

>

> Conservative 10,091,687 36.1 +3.9

> Labour 8,144,932 29.2 -6.3

> Liberal Dem 6,400,096 22.9 +1.0

>

> 14.5 million people (who voted for the 3 main

> parties... so the full figure is considerably

> more) DO NOT WANT a Tory government!

>

> I am hoping for a Labour/Lib Dem coalition...

>

> what are your views...

>

> ps bit muzzy headed as went to bed at 3 and got up

> at 6 so will definitely need that gin and tonic

> tonight at the Gowlett



Interestingly, by the same token, 16.5 million people DO NOT WANT a Labour government, yet you're suggesting that would be the most democratic result? Despite the efforts of old school Labour activists, this election was not about left and right, and neither is politics generally about that any more either. Whatever your thoughts on first past the post (and Labour supporters might like to recall that it actually works more in their favour than the Tories'), more than 70% of those who voted chose a party other than Labour.


I think that what this election has shown above all is that the country as a whole is not divided in clean left and right lines. Any party that was prepared to be honest, practical, pragmatic and sensible (and to listen to the electorate) would have done very well. Unfortunately none of them ticked all the boxes. Under most forms of PR, we would end up with this type of mess every election. We could also find that Lib Dems, with the support of just 20% of the country, get to govern (in coalition) on an almost permanent basis. How democratic is that?


Personally, for the sake of the country's finances and for the sake of the political system, I would like to see a Conservative government with Lib Dem support (how much more democratic and in the national interest would it be if Labour took that supporting role?). If they can make it work, the Lib Dems could gain enormously from this.

Brendan

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Mick Mac Wrote:

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> Unfortunatley CC it seems that Clegg has forgotten

> that people who voted for him and his party mostly

> wanted a left of centre government and he is

> probably going to give them a right of centre

> government - exactly what they did not vote for.


Although a Lab/Lib coalition wouldn?t really have been left of centre anyway. Many people will disagree with me but I think they are correct in going with the party with the most votes (such as democracy dictates) and if they get what they want out of the deal it will ultimately be worth it for everyone. We?ve got to remember that for this one very rare window we have a political party that doesn?t have ulterior motives in a position to actually influence policy. Whether they will be allowed to is doubtful but who knows.


But you know, fuck it. Expediency is the issue not representation. What we need is a conservative dictatorship backed up by the military. That will get things done. Who are ?people? to have a say anyway? (Which seems to be the opinion of some of my tory colleagues this morning)

Mick Mac

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Mick Mac Wrote:

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> charliecharlie Wrote:

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> >

> > Labour and Lib dem are both left of centre so

> > 15,408,716 people do not want a right of centre

> > party in power (nearly 5,000,000 more than do

> want

> > a right wing government... rock on the Lib Lab

> > coalition

>

> Unfortunatley CC it seems that Clegg has forgotten

> that people who voted for him and his party mostly

> wanted a left of centre government and he is

> probably going to give them a right of centre

> government - exactly what they did not vote for.



There you go - as predicted - Clegg and Cable are just a bunch of blackmailing bedhoppers.....


I have to admit I had grown a little tired of Labour so don't mind Cameron getting in. Need a harder line on immigration and prefer a little less tax and spend. But I think the Conservatives will be deeply aware of their Thatherite legacy and will do a more compassionate job. Brown was brilliant at saving the financial sector and Blair is my favourtite politician, yet the markets will react well to tories getting in. Its about cycles I guess.


Hope Clegg and Cable don't have too much of a role. They worry me.

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Look*, the public finances are in a horrendous state as they tend to be after Labour governements. We need some massive cuts in Public Spending, Labour just doesn't have that capability in its DNA and to get a majority would have needed the SNP and Plaid Cymru in with the LDs. This would have meant no cuts in Scotland/Wales, the english would have been up in arms (and justifyibly so.) Plus given that Labour has 120 odd MPs who are in Unite or Unison then Public Sector cuts would have been shied away from. Soooooo tory haters, in they'll go, make the cuts, maybe put the country's finances in order again but not get any thanks for it and be booted out in a Labour landslide....and the whole merry circus begins again. Cheer up Labourites its the best result for the the Labour party by miles



* Please note adoption of all politicians favourite Obama style start of an point 'Look'

katie1997

katie1997

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wow, almost found myself agreeing with mick mac's post until the bit about Tony Blair!!


Osborne chancellor! We will be living in mud huts soon.


William Hague as Foreign Secretary? How wrong could I be....


Have the lib dems sold their souls? Should we prepare for anarchy? ::o


News just in - DC still a smug b******.

jenny1840

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That orange birdy is a dead duck. Liberals will vanish, the public handed starstruck clegg a poisened chalice to see what depth their was to his ' new politics' . He grabbed it with both hands and then licked out the cup for good measure. Oh how the crowd laughed.


Put away from you a deceitful mouth, and put perverse lips far from you.

Let your eyes look straight ahead, and your eyelids look right before you...

Ponder the path of your feet, and let all your ways be established.

Do not turn to the right or the left; remove your foot from evil." Proverbs 4:24-27

katie1997

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Mick Mac Wrote:

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> > wow, almost found myself agreeing with mick

> mac's

> > post until the bit about Tony Blair!!

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> "Blair is my favourite politician" - you can't

> disagree with that.....


You are clearly unwell Mick Mac. I hope you recover soon. All the best.

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