EDF Straw Poll on EU Referendum

[LondonMix]

Actually, maxxi I don't know what your problem is. Tell me or don't but if you simply want to get into a personal fight on the internet, then I'll take a pass if its all the same to you.

Right now, it just feels like you want to be rude and hostile.

[maxxi]

A personal fight?

I quoted you and blah as examples of a particularly patronising approach that has wafted over this thread and you chose to ask me what my problem was.

You accused me of stirring.

Of putting words in your mouth.

And that I was motivated purely by boredom.

THAT's personal.

ETA: and please take "I thought you were taking 'a pass'" as my answer to anything you post in response.... then we can both move on.

[LondonMix]

Okay, I apologize if I offended you by saying I felt you were stirring shit because you were bored. It genuinely felt that way and like you were personally attacking me out of the blue.

I said what I did because I don't think how you characterized my statement that you quoted was at all the attitude I've approached this with. In fact, I think your characterization of that comment and my approach on this thread in general is inaccurate, insulting and unfair.

The people I have been discussing this with most vigorously had the exact opposite opinion of my approach and last night we all agreed we'd enjoyed hashing it out together and appreciated the level of respect we'd all given one another (that's on the other thread).

[Blah Blah]

I think you are being unfair to both LondonM and myself Maxxi.

As London points out, the other thread was a good exercise in debate. No-one was rude, or was offended even though there are complete differences of opinion. So much is lost in translation when people who don't know each other personally speak with written words, that it is often unwise to judge anyone from language alone. I've done it lots of times, mistaken humour for sarcasm for example. It's so easily done.

[Jules-and-Boo]

I guess we're all done, then.

LM - don't be offended. Perhaps your intention is different to my interpretation.

At the end of the day, all facts can be presented to deliver a particular result. Taking some facts, to support an arguement, ignoring others which contradict the point....

It used to be called 'spin'. I have voted and heard some rather scary conversations at the polling station. Generally indicative of perceptions of versions of truth....but these votes all count.

Either we're staying in and selling our souls to the devil, or being embraced by angels.......we won't know until it's too late. We have to look at where we are, if we think it's a good place and what we think will make it better. And it can be difficult to be objective.

[LondonMix]

Ok, happy to move on then. Emotions are running high for everyone. I hope the country comes together tomorrow irrespective of the result. I know a few people who have had major falling outs with their parents of this vote which seems crazy.

[robbin]

I must say I have felt that the sort of 'debate' on this thread from Blah and LM in particular has often come across as being comprised of a fair smattering of condescending remarks and smug, sanctimonious digs at those who don't share their world view or accept their 'facts' (because apparently we are too dim to 'understand' them). But then if that what passes for 'debate' these days (or more likely just debate on the internet) I suppose that's just life and something to get used to.

No big deal - it will all be over in a few hours.

However, I think I'll avoid the forum for a couple of days, just in case there's an abundance of sanctimonious crowing about the inevitable Remain majority (even if it does demonstrate that close to every second person in the UK is in favour of leaving the EU at any cost - hardly a ringing endorsement of the Union).

[LondonMix]

Sorry if you genuinely felt I was being condescending. That wasn't my intention and I never said or suggested anyone on either side of the debate was stupid (unlike other posters who actually have thrown around insults on both sides).

[robbin]

I thought this was just a tad condescending...

"I get that you aren't familiar with all of this which of course is fine but its insane to simply dismiss it as speculation when these are bold face verifiable facts just because they don't dovetail with your world view.

This is an important vote. Spend a few hours looking into what I've outlined and if you have any questions I'll try to answer them objectively"

But I may just be being too thin skinned.

Anyway, in all seriousness it's no big deal. You are entitled to your opinion and frankly I can see the merit in a lot of what you say.

[LondonMix]

Okay, sorry if that came across as rude.

That was after you said that you didn't know about certain trade issues and suggested I didn't either and so the information I provided was pure speculation. My response was acknowledging what you yourself said about your background while explaining it was what I do for a living. Still, I can see how it could come across as rude so I genuinely apologize if it made you feel bad.

[Blah Blah]

It's hard though to gauge tone in written language and tone is everything when trying to gauge intent. LM (as I) posts because of a genuine interest in the subject and in what others have to say. I think we both get a little frustrated when there is hard data/evidence to support something and it is brushed aside. That is only human nature. But I've not seen LM write anything that would rile with me. I on the other hand definitely have days where my level of patience is tested. But I usually stay off public forums on those days :D

[robbin]

No worries LM. I appreciate the explanation.