M&S on Lordship Lane

[DulwichFox]

I have seen pubs having to buy ice when they have run low or their ice machines are on the blink.

(Most pubs use a lot of ice to fill the glass then top up with a tad of soda .. cola or orange juice)

I suspect some small bars may need to buy ice from time to time.

Foxy

[Mick Mac]

Sue Wrote:

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> And their ?10 meal for two consisting of a main,

> side, dessert and bottle of wine is incredible

> value - not that I've tried it yet.

My Mum told me about this last night (M&S is one of her favourite subjects and now I can join in!). Fantastic value. As she is old and on her own it does here for two days.

[kbabes]

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> I have seen pubs having to buy ice when they have

> run low or their ice machines are on the blink.

> (Most pubs use a lot of ice to fill the glass

> then top up with a tad of soda .. cola or orange

> juice)

>

> I suspect some small bars may need to buy ice

> from time to time.

>

> Foxy

So I'm guessing this is an answer to the "who buys ice?" question from earlier?

[kbabes]

Jules-and-Boo Wrote:

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> kbabes - have you tried making gin and tonic ice

> lollies?

No but outstanding idea!

[DulwichFox]

kbabes Wrote:

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> DulwichFox Wrote:

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> > I have seen pubs having to buy ice when they

> have

> > run low or their ice machines are on the blink.

> > (Most pubs use a lot of ice to fill the glass

> > then top up with a tad of soda .. cola or

> orange

> > juice)

> >

> > I suspect some small bars may need to buy ice

> > from time to time.

> >

> > Foxy

>

> So I'm guessing this is an answer to the "who buys

> ice?" question from earlier?

Not really.. The original question refered to the Domestic situation.. not commercial..

Foxy

[Seabag]

I was told it was the fastest take up of any new M&S store

Basically, we love it and can't get enough

[Louisa]

Footfall has notably increased as a result, temporary blip or long term change who knows. I would still argue that the likes of Waitrose will be closing monitoring this setup and acting accordingly.

Louisa.

[LondonMix]

Who told you that Seabag-- M&S management?

I'm wondering who is suffering the most-- my guess is Sainsbury as that's where my husband would normally cycle to for top up shopping midweek. Now, we just top up at M&S on fruit and the occasional treat.

The cinema told the South London press in an article that the ED branch was their most successful ever as well. There appears to be a huge pent up demand.

I agree with Louisa, others, including Waitrose will be watching

[Penguin68]

I'm still confused kbabes, how does a freezer 'make' ice cubes? One every twenty minutes? What does that mean?

More modern (American style) fridges have ice making machinery (they have to be plumbed-in, or you add water to a reservoir) which produces ice cubes, sequentially. This is an alternative to using an ice tray. They also often offer iced water - all accessible without having to open the fridge/ freezer itself. Marvels of modern kitchen technology.

[kbabes]

Penguin68 Wrote:

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> I'm still confused kbabes, how does a freezer

> 'make' ice cubes? One every twenty minutes? What

> does that mean?

>

> More modern (American style) fridges have ice

> making machinery (they have to be plumbed-in, or

> you add water to a reservoir) which produces ice

> cubes, sequentially. This is an alternative to

> using an ice tray. They also often offer iced

> water - all accessible without having to open the

> fridge/ freezer itself. Marvels of modern kitchen

> technology.

thanks penguin.. the will to live was escaping me

[Sue]

Louisa Wrote:

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> Footfall has notably increased as a result,

> temporary blip or long term change who knows. I

> would still argue that the likes of Waitrose will

> be closing monitoring this setup and acting

> accordingly.

>

> Louisa.

I'm wondering about those council offices mentioned on another thread as up for sale or about to be.

Would it be a big enough space?

Or the old Grove/Harvester though not very central, but space for a carpark.

[Louisa]

Sue Wrote:

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> Louisa Wrote:

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> > Footfall has notably increased as a result,

> > temporary blip or long term change who knows. I

> > would still argue that the likes of Waitrose

> will

> > be closing monitoring this setup and acting

> > accordingly.

> >

> > Louisa.

>

> I'm wondering about those council offices

> mentioned on another thread as up for sale or

> about to be.

>

> Would it be a big enough space?

>

> Or the old Grove/Harvester though not very

> central, but space for a carpark.

The council offices probably wouldn't be big enough, but a friend many years ago told me 'east dulwich' was one of a handful of places John Lewis/Waitrose had on its radar, so the M&S and cinema successes will no doubt have been taken note of by Waitrose, who often times are willing to opt for a smaller store if necessary. I think James Barber mentioned some years back, Waitrose were willing to take on the Iceland site as was, without any major alterations?

The grove tavern site would be ideal as it would incorporate parking and possibly residential too. Honestly cannot think of any other places apart from the station/grove vale but again, possibly a little on the small size.

Louisa.

[jam_log]

how this thread has provided me with amusement, at one stage, I even spat out my M&S bottled water, I was laughing so much at the craziness of this thread.....

[Dogkennelhillbilly]

You drink bottled water when there a perfectly good puddles you could drink from outside? The decadence of it all...

[LondonMix]

Louisa you are right re James Barber. He was pushing for Waitrose as they were willing to take the Iceland store without any alternations.

I think a small convenience type supermarket is planned for the development of the old Garden Centre near the station. One of the mini formats might work there and its good for footfall. I think initially it was meant to be a Morrisons but they pulled out.

Also, the redevelopment on Barry road near Peckham Rye (that is causing my vet to move to the bank office on LL) is planned to have a major supermarket as well.

Time will tell

[jaywalker]

but the issue is location. there are hot spots and cold spots even on the hottest parts of lordship lane, let alone ED generally.

the co-op space is potentially one of the hottest - but ice cold at the moment. if I were Waitrose I'd know where to try to go. Or perhaps M & S might convert it into a Kensington M & S style deli?

went to M & S this afternoon in what i'd thought would be a dead spot: crowded even then.

[Jim1234]

SMBS is infinitely better than any supermarket for fruit and veg. Probably cheaper than M&S too. Please try it out if you haven't. Keep local shops going!

[kbabes]

camberwell70 Wrote:

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> I wish my freezer could make gin.

my freezer is currently making gin & tonic ice lollies

[kbabes]

Jim1234 Wrote:

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> SMBS is infinitely better than any supermarket for

> fruit and veg. Probably cheaper than M&S too.

> Please try it out if you haven't. Keep local shops

> going!

isn't M&S local then?

[KidKruger]

I doubt that SMBS is cheaper than any shop in South London !

[Louisa]

LM Morrisons have pulled the plug on small local format stores and have reverted back to form with across the board price slashing at their standard size stores. Seems to be working too, profits year on year are up massively for them.

This of course begs the question who will want to take on the garden centre/station site? I would hazard a guess at Tesco Express, seeing as they could puncture biggest London rivals, Sainsbury's nearby offering for convenience bits. Waitrose will probably want a large enough site to be able to provide a store to cover a wide enough collection of affluent postcodes, all currently reliant on a small M&S foodhall for up-market offerings. A small format little Waitrose probably wouldn't be sufficient to do that.

Louisa.

[kbabes]

Louisa Wrote:

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> LM Morrisons have pulled the plug on small local

> format stores and have reverted back to form with

> across the board price slashing at their standard

> size stores. Seems to be working too, profits year

> on year are up massively for them.

>

> This of course begs the question who will want to

> take on the garden centre/station site? I would

> heard a guess at tesco express, seeing as they

> could puncture Sainsbury's nearby offering for

> convenience bits. Waitrose will probably want a

> large enough site to be able to provide a store to

> cover a wide enough collection of affluent

> postcodes. A small format little Waitrose probably

> wouldn't be sufficient to do that.

>

> Louisa.

I thought Waitrose already delivered to all of East & West Dulwich postcodes anyway? See them in my street prob 4 or 5 times per day.

[Louisa]

kbabes Wrote:

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> Louisa Wrote:

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> > LM Morrisons have pulled the plug on small

> local

> > format stores and have reverted back to form

> with

> > across the board price slashing at their

> standard

> > size stores. Seems to be working too, profits

> year

> > on year are up massively for them.

> >

> > This of course begs the question who will want

> to

> > take on the garden centre/station site? I would

> > heard a guess at tesco express, seeing as they

> > could puncture Sainsbury's nearby offering for

> > convenience bits. Waitrose will probably want a

> > large enough site to be able to provide a store

> to

> > cover a wide enough collection of affluent

> > postcodes. A small format little Waitrose

> probably

> > wouldn't be sufficient to do that.

> >

> > Louisa.

>

> I thought Waitrose already delivered to all of

> East & West Dulwich postcodes anyway? See them

> in my street prob 4 or 5 times per day.

Yes they do deliver, but large supermarkets still see the physical presence of a store as the ultimate prize in retail marketing, hence why the new M&S is doing so well no doubt. Not everyone within the demographic aimed at will want deliveries anyhow, some people still enjoy the experience of going in store.

Louisa.

[camberwell70]

kbabes Wrote:

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> camberwell70 Wrote:

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> > I wish my freezer could make gin.

>

> my freezer is currently making gin & tonic ice

> lollies

Heavy, heavy...

[LondonMix]

All this insight from a women who feigns to not know supermarkets sell ice... :)

Louisa Wrote:

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> kbabes Wrote:

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> > Louisa Wrote:

> >

> --------------------------------------------------

>

> > -----

> > > LM Morrisons have pulled the plug on small

> > local

> > > format stores and have reverted back to form

> > with

> > > across the board price slashing at their

> > standard

> > > size stores. Seems to be working too, profits

> > year

> > > on year are up massively for them.

> > >

> > > This of course begs the question who will

> want

> > to

> > > take on the garden centre/station site? I

> would

> > > heard a guess at tesco express, seeing as

> they

> > > could puncture Sainsbury's nearby offering

> for

> > > convenience bits. Waitrose will probably want

> a

> > > large enough site to be able to provide a

> store

> > to

> > > cover a wide enough collection of affluent

> > > postcodes. A small format little Waitrose

> > probably

> > > wouldn't be sufficient to do that.

> > >

> > > Louisa.

> >

> > I thought Waitrose already delivered to all of

> > East & West Dulwich postcodes anyway? See

> them

> > in my street prob 4 or 5 times per day.

>

> Yes they do deliver, but large supermarkets still

> see the physical presence of a store as the

> ultimate prize in retail marketing, hence why the

> new M&S is doing so well no doubt. Not everyone

> within the demographic aimed at will want

> deliveries anyhow, some people still enjoy the

> experience of going in store.

>

> Louisa.