Breast Feeding in shops

[spadetownboy]

Domitianus Wrote:

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> Oh...and...I never for one moment suggested that

> the world revolves around me. Unfortunately there

> are those who seem to think that the world

> revolves around pregnant women and mothers of

> small children to the extent that everyone else's

> interests are expected to take second place to the

> afore-mentioned who are regarded as being beyond

> reproach and above criticism. It's a bloody good

> job we are not following the example of lions,

> hippos or chimps - they actually murder the

> offspring of other couples that compete for

> resources. Now....there's an idea!

think the word you are looking for is consideration.

[ChavWivaLawDegree]

cowbear - I was truly impressed by your knowledege of African languages - until I googled the words and found them myself. I then felt the need to demonstrate that although your attempt at rooting out a spoofer seemed a good one, in this age of instant access to all kinds of strange and bizarre knowledge, your test is flawed.

Now I feel adrift.

[mockney piers]

Can someone pleeeease compare breastfeeding to the holocaust and then we can have done with this interminable thread?

[James]

Don't put ideas in his head!

[ChavWivaLawDegree]

My boyfriend gets very upset when I refuse to breastfeed him in public, I think it's about time we had a breastfeeding revolution

[SeanMacGabhann]

Well if that image doesn't deflect this thread then I don't know what will

[Administrator]

Title changed to Breast Feeding.

FatHappyChappy/cowbearuk/AfricanQueen please read your private message.

[Keef]

Ganapati why do you feel you have to carry this on... Just go back and read my post again please. I AM ALL FOR BREAST FEEDING! And my lovely hippy wife-to-be will definitely breast feed out kids for as long as she sees fit. However, she too agrees that there are certain people out there who want to be seen, not because feeding their child is their top priority!

EDITED: Because no one seems to want this bloody thread to end!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Domitianus]

Obviously my simple comment about "chunking up" has gone straight over people's heads. To reiterate, and everyone including James can read this slowly and carefully, I was drawing attention to other processes that are considered "natural" to indicate that the "naturalness" of an act is not grounds to argue that it is acceptable. this does not mean that I am saying that breasfeeding is the same as burping, farting, pissing etc etc, except in as much as they are all natural bodily functions (mind you BFing babies often do all of these things when feeding so maybe there is more similarity than I thought). It is distrubing that people in a supposedly educated and intelligent part of London should be so incapable of following such a simple arguement.

I am accused of an incredible 'viciousness of tone' by Ganapti - this from someone who then makes comments such as "Thank god! Was wondering when you were going to shut up on the matter". I am also amazed at the inconsistency of her opinions - starting out in agreement but apparently having an overnight volte face on a particular issue simply because she doesn't like the 'tone' of someone discussing the subject. Hardly an example of reasoned consideration! I am also accused of "aiming abuse" at people. Ermm, who specifically and please give supporting evidence. If you read the thread with an objective mind you will see that the abuse and vitriol has almost exclusively originated from and been expressed by those who have attacked me. The tone of my postings (although occasionally facetious) has been directed towards arguing the points and issues. If you can not see that it seems you are blind to the facts. An example of the vitriol against me has just been further elucidated by James. Again he goes on into his favourite amateur psychologist rant accusing people he doesn't even know of having "issues" that need "therapy". How's this James? YOU have "issues" that need "therapy". Do I believe that statement? Well I have absolutely no idea about James's state of mind so am not going to make the assumption that because he disagrees with me he is deranged or in need of treatment. I have about as much evidence on which to base such an assumption as James has - ie. none whatsoever. I guess it must be comforting not to have to engage in discussion of the issues and to just be able to attack the character and completely hallucinated faults or "issues" of anyone who disgarees with you. Let me reiterate my point made in an earlier posting:

"I would also like to express my amazement at the nature of the attacks thrown at me. Apparently I am harbouring all sorts of repressed coflicts, fixations, obsessions, hostilities and am also "scary" - all because I have had the 'afrontery' to say that there are ertain circumstances in which I think it is ill-considered of women to overtly breast feed. Wonderful to see people address the issues instead of attacking the individual - NOT! I would point out that my general view, if not specific arguements, on this matter is apparently shared by at least the following - Cowbear (who initiated the thread), hoards of kids outside Nero, Ondine (I assume the posting "ditto" indicated agreement with Cowbear's original post), TillieTrotter, the staff of William Rose and a close friend of mine who immediately grimaced at the mention of BFing in a cafe. I am sure there are many more. I can only assume that they are all also fixated, repressed, obsessed, hostile to women (including TT, who says she breast fed herself) and "scary"."

Every single attack made on me since I made that posting simply reinforces and lends further evidence to that observation.

[James]

Whoever mentioned the analogy with a gay couple holding hands in public had a good point. If you substitute that for breast-feeding on this thread you see how odious the repressives' argument becomes: "Don't mind if they do it behind closed doors but don't rub my face in it" etc. Nasty and narrow-minded.

[mockney piers]

Please believe me Dom, when I assure you this isn't a personal attack.

But do consider, before your next riposte, making a cup of tea beforehand, doing some breathing exercises, while dunking your rich tea (mmmmmmmmm) then, while composing the answer in your head, rather than on your keyboard, chuckling to yourself, smiling and say (out loud, really, say it out loud):

"whatever"

You might even want to make a double u with index fingers and thumbs, and doing the 'gerrrlfireeend' head shake thing.

It'll be fun and a more positive use of your energy.

[Fear 'n boozin]

Keef, I want to see bruises. The Nazi's how could you!! It's a disgrace, a horror. Tsk. Tut.

Edited: No headbanging then? Pooh.

[James]

When people exhibit irrational behaviour, therapy can often help. Irrational fears/disgust usually means the person has long-standing issues which need addressing. Nothing to be ashamed of Dominanius, we all have our issues. The key is to confront and challenge them.

E.g. irrational disgust of gay people often comes from boys and men whose sense of masculinity is fragile due to environmental factors (lack of male role models and stable family life can sometimes be a factor).

I have no idea where your irrational disgust of breast-feeding comes from, but you should explore it. You might be surprised at what you discover about yourself.

[Keef]

James, I'm not sure that's true.... I am sure there are those people out there who would be put off their drink by 2 blokes (shock horror) holding hands, but I think generally it wouldn't raise too many eyebrows.

Admittedly, I wouldn't really want to see 2 blokes snogging in front of me, but not because they're 2 blokes. I can't stand it when straight couples feel the need to eat each other's faces off whilst sat across the table from me in the pub either.... Puts me off me lager, and makes me wonder why they can do that, but I can't smoke a bloody ciggie!

Come to think of it, maybe I am just a prude after all :-S

[mockney piers]

And James, does Dom really need another amateur psychoanalysis session? Go on, cup o' char, rich tea.

To quote Keef.

"Where's the love people?"

[Ganapati]

Keef--All I am saying is that there are many things women do to be trendy--they buy certain clothes, handbags, get certain styles of haircuts. Most women I know when they are to have a baby, do not sit around thinking I will give breastfeeding ago because they want to be trendy. They do it because the health services now make no bones about how it is best for your child and if you don't want them to suffer from a whole number of illnesses/lowered IQs etc then you had better do it. Breastfeeding, strangely, is not as easy for all women as some would assume. A number of breastfeeding women I know have had to be "taught", have had to have a health visitor educate them etc. It's not like chucking on a trendy spangly belt because "yummy mummy" liz hurley is doing it. I get the point you are all for it and I hope it goes smoothly when your hippie wife to be does give it a go.

And will someone answer me why a load of topless women on a bus driving around London does not elicit as much disgust as a breastfeeding woman? Is it because we are living in an age when breasts are such sexual objects that seeing them used in any other form is too shocking? FInally: The original Cafe Nero breastfeeder would probably have a good laugh at all of us reading this thread.

[James]

Agreed, I don't really like gratuitous PDA's that much (couples of whatever orientation eating face - yuck!) so if you're a prude, so am I!

But you'd be surprised at the times I've had abuse shouted at me for holding hands with my boyfriend or putting an arm round him. It's like those stories of mixed-race couples being spat at - you find it hard to believe but then if you're not in that position yourself you wouldn't know what it's like.

[James]

Great point about the topless woman on the bus Ganapati. That says it all

[SimonM]

The correspondence pages of "Private Eye" used to be headed with an editorial warning - "Long boring messages will be cut". I suppose, if carried out, this would count as censorship but, even so, I think it did tend to encourage succinctness and concision...

[Keef]

James Wrote:

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> Agreed, I don't really like gratuitous PDA's that

> much (couples of whatever orientation eating face

> - yuck!) so if you're a prude, so am I!

>

> But you'd be surprised at the times I've had abuse

> shouted at me for holding hands with my boyfriend

> or putting an arm round him. It's like those

> stories of mixed-race couples being spat at - you

> find it hard to believe but then if you're not in

> that position yourself you wouldn't know what it's

> like.

Fair point, I don't.... I do hope that it doesn't stop you however!

Ganapati, fair points from you too. A good friend of mine had terrible trouble feeding her little boy, and unfortunately had to stop, because it just wasn't happening for either of them (even after the health visitor had been round a few times). I won't try to explain my point again, because I know what I mean in my head, but I don't think I can put it down on here without using terms such as "yummy mummies" and "trendy", which are not ideal words (and I agree that Yummy Mummy is a rubbish media invention, but it's an easy one to chuck in).

I shall close by saying one last time that I am genuinely all for breast feeding ;-)>:D:D<

[Jah Lush]

I'll put the kettle on.

[macroban]

I know what a "No Smoking" sign looks like.

I don't think I've ever seen "No Breastfeeding", "No Flashing", or "No Snogging" signs.

Do they exist? What do they look like?

[Keef]

*Fingers in ears*

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[Jah Lush]

Nurse! The screens.

[Michael Palaeologus]

Can I have my strimmer back please Piers?