Breast Milk STINKS...............apparently

[Keef]

Sorry, that was probably uncalled for, but I just don't think people are seeing the point here.

no punishment other than for his actions to be made known to a wider audience.

His actions, along with his name, and a photo, just to make sure that someone with an issue against him knows exactly who to aim for.

I disagree that this is a serperate issue, for me, this is exactly the issue!

[helena handbasket]

edited to remove my reply

What's the point.

[helena handbasket]

I guess what I'm trying to say is, in a righteous society sympathy and compassion should not be reserved for the obviously deserving but extended to those who are less obvious. Isn't that why we don't kill killers or torture torturers?

Grace.

[cate]

According to the mother in question's post she decided to go into the changing room because her baby was grizzling AND because she wanted to try on sweaters. So she wasn't already in the changing room when the baby started grizzling. She quite possibly grabbed a bunch of sweaters in order to breastfeed. She could say anything she wanted to in order to look like a victim. (According to the Daily Mail interview the baby didn't cry until she was in the changing room.) Father Jack wasn't there then. Maybe there were more people in there at the time and she did block a changing room. Wouldn't you give a ten month old a biscuit? Or a sippy cup? I have lost sympathy for this woman as she decided to give an interview to the Daily Mail and she said on this Forum that she didn't know how they found her. Yes it is deeply unpleasant to have an aerosol sprayed around you but hopefully it didn't have any CFCs in it. The responses to go in there and do a mass breastfeeding in a shop which undoubtedly employs mentally ill people is gobsmacking. That is what I meant when I agreed with Peckhamgatecrasher who said it was a pitchforkish response. Why did this woman just not let everything be sorted out with the MD of Mind. I hope she comes back on here to explain why she went to the Mail.

And I NEVER said I was against breastfeeding.

Edited for an addition

[daizie]

Well I am, I dont like looking at large exposed nipples . Do it discretely or go home .

[Rogue Apostrophe]

Phew, what a debate, nicely topped off with the usual flippant comment from daizie.

Who cares what a bunch of people on the internet think about breastfeeding? Breastfeeding mums, keep up the good work you are doing and ignore all the miserable childhaters out there! I breastfeed my daughter discreetly anywhere and everywhere and couldn't give a toss what people say or whether I should ask permission first.

[daizie]

Are you a man Rogue ?

[sillywoman]

Daizie - there may be people in your world who don't like looking at you, but hopefully they don't tell you to wear a paper bag or go home. Just 'cos you don't like it doesn't mean its wrong - the world is bigger than you.

[reetpetite]

The story was on the James O'Brian show on LBC this morning but I also was unable to listen to the phone-ins.

[daizie]

Dont be so silly woman , of course its not !

[Signora Focaccia]

I see the Daily Mail has got hold of this 'outrage' and we now all have a picture of the goody and the baddy. (No prizes for guessing which class the respective protagonists represent)

This out-of-proportion campaign has played right into the hands of the right-wing press and now even more people can look down their noses at the poor bloke running the Mind shop.

Perhaps an organisation that campaigns on behalf of people who have experienced mental distress might like to get involved to support him as this, I believe is what many people working and volunteering in Mind shops have experienced. Or maybe he will now need a union rep.

Hope you are all pleased with yourselves.

[rosehowe]

I love the idea of a breastfeeding brigade decending on them, please please let me know if it happens, I want to be there and support you!

[rosehowe]

Please post something about this on the Dulwich Mums and Dads site, I sure you will get alot of support.

[Keef]

You could advertise it on your website, that you have basically come on here to advertise. Luckily admin has already taken it off, but I had a quick look, and it offers nothing that people don't get on here already.

Good luck to you, but coming on here and advertising your rival site is a bit cheeky if you ask me.

[FatherJack]

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE give MIND the time required to investigate this incident.

I spoke with Paul Farmer at MIND this afternoon and there is a process which they as an organisation

must follow and I fully appreciate and respect this.

I hope LocalMama does too. I have sent you a PM

[ryedalema]

Hear hear FJ!

[The Nappy Lady]

So on that basis shall we all stop posting and adding fuel to the fire?

[EDmummy]

Thank you Helena for your first post on this subject. Added a great deal of balance to a thread that has frankly made me re-evaluate a lot of the usual posters in this section.

Just to add, in case no one noticed, EMC, who is a journalist, said that she had investigated the claim that a women had been asked to get off a bus because she was breast feeding and had found that the story did not hold up. Correct me if I am wrong, EMC. So, the Daily Mail, a newspaper or record?!

[ludoscotts]

Im sorry to add fuel to the fire but this thread has made me so mad- and I still dont know what side im supporting-one min I feel sorry for the mother and the next the manager.

I do feel however that when It comes down to it it is a charity shop so by not donating and boycotting it you would be harming the people that benefit from the shop. Its not the people who get help through the charities fault so dont stop shopping there and harming a good charity.

surely the main issue should be the manager peeping into the cubicle. I have tried clothes on in there myself and Im disgusted to think that I may have been spied on. Manager or not he has no right to look in while someone is changing.

This should be something that the head office should deal with(and are looking in to it)-the conduct of a member of their staff is something they should sort-going down on mass will do nothing to help.

and daizie have you been reading the thread-

"Well I am, I dont like looking at large exposed nipples . Do it discretely or go home "

that's the whole point she was in a private cubicle with the curtain shut how more discretely could she have fed her baby.

Im sure from that comment that you dont have children. I myself used to get a bit uncomfortable at seeing breastfeeding mothers but it is their right to do it and its just cruel to leave them crying and hungry where this can be dealt with quickly and discretly leaving the mother not stressed and the baby calmer. Id be interested to know how you feel when you have had children.

I love the fact that people can ignore men peeing in doorways, Teenagers playing their music on busses, people smoking on busses and trains, people vomiting on busses yet people have no problem complaining about the most natural act in the world-feeding a baby.

see-I still cant make up my mind argued both sides!!

[Peckhamgatecrasher]

Paul Farmer, the CE of Mind, commented on Radio London today, that in certain circumstances - when changing rooms are used for other activities (he alluded to drug taking and sexual intercourse) - it is right for the manager to check, however there should be a balance.

If a customer is in a cubicle for a longer than average time, it is a little hard for the manager to guess what is going on without looking.

[ClaireinSE22]

Signora Focaccia Wrote:

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> I see the Daily Mail has got hold of this

> 'outrage' and we now all have a picture of the

> goody and the baddy. (No prizes for guessing which

> class the respective protagonists represent)

>

> This out-of-proportion campaign has played right

> into the hands of the right-wing press and now

> even more people can look down their noses at the

> poor bloke running the Mind shop.

>

> Perhaps an organisation that campaigns on behalf

> of people who have experienced mental distress

> might like to get involved to support him as this,

> I believe is what many people working and

> volunteering in Mind shops have experienced. Or

> maybe he will now need a union rep.

>

> Hope you are all pleased with yourselves.

BINGO! Reductio ad Hitlerumn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law). By blaming the breastfeeding mother for the inevitable tabloid treatment of her story, you have played right into the hands of the male dominated media that perpetuates our patriarchal society (no prizes for guessing what gender the respective protagonists represent). Perhaps a radical feminist organisation would like to support her etc etc. Speaking as a socialist, a psychiatric nurse in training and the daughter of a window cleaner (think I've covered myself now) I find it totally tedious when a perfectly valid discussion thread is littered with pointless, right-on posturing from contributors who have no real interest in the topic.

Breastfeeding has enormous health benefits for mother and child and yet the vast majority of women choose to give up after the first few weeks; the reasons cited may include imminent return to work, lack of support from partner/family but largely boil down to the same thing - our culture is not breastfeeding friendly. Whilst BF remains somewhat taboo, it is inevitable that the sight of a breastfeeding mother may make us uncomfortable....hopefully as the public health message starts to get through we will all be more used to seeing it happen all around us in shops, restaurants and buses. Lactivists have an important role in transforming attitudes - we are in the vanguard!

But don't worry Daizie, I won't chase you down the street flashing my 'large exposed nipples' - the cold wind makes 'em shrink a bit!

[KalamityKel]

ClaireinSE22 Wrote:

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>

> BINGO! Reductio ad Hitlerumn

> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law). By

> blaming the breastfeeding mother for the

> inevitable tabloid treatment of her story, you

> have played right into the hands of the male

> dominated media that perpetuates our patriarchal

> society (no prizes for guessing what gender the

> respective protagonists represent). Perhaps a

> radical feminist organisation would like to

> support her etc etc. Speaking as a socialist, a

> psychiatric nurse in training and the daughter of

> a window cleaner (think I've covered myself now) I

> find it totally tedious when a perfectly valid

> discussion thread is littered with pointless,

> right-on posturing from contributors who have no

> real interest in the topic.

>

What a load of rubbish!

People with attitudes like the above disgust me and make me ashamed to be a woman! Actually most of this thread makes me ashamed. Do you really have no self respect or even respect for those around you? How can you expect your children to understand social behaviour when you yourselves have none. grrrr I've had enough! The rubbish being thrown around that if you don't agree with "us" then you must be against us is pathetic. The assumption of anyone disagreeing couldn't possibly be a breast feeding mother is rubbish. Instead of attempting to insult those around you perhaps a bit a self reflection wouldn't go a miss. There are actually other people in this world you know.

Don't bother throwing you're dummies out in response it wont do yourselves any justice.

[helena handbasket]

(tu)

[KoolBananas]

Why was this reported to the press in the first place?

I don't understand how the majority of women on this thread find it acceptable, no matter where they are and no matter who they are with, to get their bits out in order to feed their starving child for "two minutes" (as quoted in the Daily Mail). Two minutes? Was it really worth it and to cause all this hassle? Come off it!

I fail to understand the mentality of the majority on here (that appear to be women) that think they have a given right to do what they like no matter as to the consquences that are invited. Why do you have the right - the right over others that is? Why invite trouble from others - perhaps men, perhaps women - who get excited about boobs being out and about? Why should you just throw it back that they are the ones with the issues and are pervs? You know the problems out there so why provoke it?

What about other religions that find such public displays embarrassing or against their faith? Do you care to look past your own nose?

It has nothing to do with others not understanding what it is like for the mother who simply must feed on demand or their lack of intelligence. It comes down to common sense, manners, modesty and consideration for those around you in the society you have chosen to live.

One assumes payment was offered and accepted for the article and assumes such money has been donated to King's MilkBank.

KB

[Signora Focaccia]

The woman in question chose to speak to the press; a woman who just happened to be in the shop chose to write to the director of MIND. They are hardly victms, and definitely not in need of the support of a radical feminist organisation, not least because no of their actions have anything to do with radical feminism.

Yours, with all the credentials, dad in a manual job zzzz, etc