Ha ? good play on words Penguin68. No I am afraid I am here all the time. I often read the posts as a casual observer but I felt driven to write this time. I don?t know what happened to ryedalema and I don?t condone the actions of the dropper - however all too often mum?s like ryedalema think they have a divine right to the pavement, doorways and what ever else. Were you actually to meet me you would find me always polite and ready to help carry pushchairs up stairs, happy to open doors and give up my seat to mums but all to often mums can be pushy, impolite and darn right rude and they have no excuse. In this case why I particularly felt the need to write because from experience of working with disaffected youth ryedalema's ?quip? just helps them feel more isolated and alienated. People are rude, people have bad days, but there is no point in exacerbating it and making people feel more worthless. More than likely someone giving out WHTVR is on a first start program ? they are likely to have had a tough time at home and should be cut some slack. Ryedalema is not the victim they are.