rgutsell

HI all I had to laugh at the details provided about the data collection effort in the last post. (Excellent post) The shops and police don't want the crossing because its on a bend?? LOL So how would they explain the only crossing that is provided; right on top of the roundabout ( ie on a bend) outside the EDT, where traffic comes at you from several directions, where drivers need to have eyes in the back of their heads to watch the traffic on the roundabout, the traffic on the road they are entering, and the likelihood of suicidal pedestrians stepping straight of the pub onto the road whilst still thinking about the last beer they had. And then of course, there are the cyclists, many zipping along, that ignore most of the rules and carry on any way, even when pedestrians are on the crossing!!! I believe that there is a general consensus that a crossing is needed. If a census team sat at three points along Lordship Lane and counted all of the pedestrians who risked a crossing between moving cars over the road, it would be in the hundreds in a day. Sadly , what is needed is a death. Where fatalities occur in other parts of London, crossing shave magical appeared despite all concerns about position. But I am not volunteering!! I'm still up for traffic lights and raised pedestrianised crossing surfaces.!!

HI all I see the discussion went off the rails (geddit!) onto subjects like pavement railings and so on. Here is my basic motivating belief position on this; (and remember I am a lorry and coach driver). Where people live is a community (call it community, village or anything) and no one traveling through, whether on foot, bike, car or bus, or lorry or coach, (or horse historicaly!!) should expect to go through without hindrance or respecting the local residents who live shop, and walk there. In fact ( I am very "Reclaim the streets" about this) they should be thankful to be allowed through at all!! In my view, in some way, they are guests!! Government planning and transport actions over the last four decades have inured us to the roads driven through our living areas, and lead us to think it is all unstoppable. We have stopped feeling that the road area itself is "OURS". When we drive through other area's in our cars, or on our bikes, we do not think of that road as "theirs" (But it is!) I certainly would not suggest blocking off the Lordship Lane/East Dulwich Grove, but I have no regrets at all that traffic (including me in my car) should be delayed and stopped by traffic lights and pedestrianised surface in the junction. Looking forward to more replies!!

HI all Thanks for all of the suggestions and observations. Lets keep them coming. I will use this when I contact LBS.etc. To me "Traffic calming" is part of the aim. If not signals for example, then say two or three spaced Zebra crossings on raised surfaces. Is anyone familiar with the junction at Balham High street adjacent to the station? There, they have used the diagonal crossing facility between lights, and it seesm to work. Rgutsell

Hi Good point and photo. And note the people trying to cross!! RobertG

Hi all I take the point about it slowing traffic (i.e putting traffic lights in, and pelican crossing in, or traffic calming raised road) But that IS the point. Lights would regulate the traffic turning at that junction, and give through traffic a lane of their own. I would want to slow the traffic, and stop it whilst residents of ED cross to shops etc. I am not a car supporter really (although I drive a car and have licences for coaches, buses and lorries!!) If it means traffic is slower or more regulated, so be it; it is a village still, and no one really should expect to be able to drive through without that in mind. Everyday I see many people, often parents with prams and children, trying to navigate the road to the shops, banks etc. Its dangerous. The mix of people and traffic is not managed well at all.

I will bet this has come up before but here goes..... Traffic coming down East Dulwich Grove to Lordship Lane has got worse especially since the bus was re routed that way. Traffic noise, and late night noise nuisance from drunken people has risen quite significantly along East Dulwich Grove. Recently I had a chat with an older woman who, along with me, found it quite worring trying to cross there, (at the junction of East Dulwich Grove and Lordship Lane) and yet punishing to go right down to the zebra crossing. (Which I believe is badly placed right on top of the roundabout). My suggestion is; that junction (East Dulwich Grove/Lordship Lane) needs to be "pedestrianised" with a raised surface, and "pelican" traffic lights to slow down and control, and regularly stop, the traffic. Does anyone agree?. Rgutsell