Bic Basher

The options which don't include the tube tend to be cheaper. Zone 1 comes at a premium. You can shave a bit of time off the FH to CJ section by getting the first Overground train to Crystal Palace and walking over to the Southern platforms, although it is a bit of a walk up the huge stairwell.

I haven't used Canada Water since the games started, however the best thing to do is to get on the front carriage and go up the escalator to the ticket hall and then back down to the Jubilee platforms. There is a direct escalator from the Overground platform to the Jubilee, but I think that's closed for the duration of the games as it can get overcrowded on a normal day. Alternatives are to change at Whitechapel for the District/H&C and get off at West Ham if you have tickets to the Olympic Park events or you could do what I did on Saturday and stay on the Overground and change at Canonbury for Stratford.

jessrm Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > We Got the London overground from forest hill. We > changed at Shadwell for DLR to custom house. It > was quick and not busy. I made the mistake of going to North Greenwich where there was a 15 minute queue for the cable car, on the other side, there wasn't a massive queue. Incidentally Royal Victoria station is much closer to the cable car station than Custom House.

womanofdulwich Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > so your olymoics ticket does/ doesn not cover the > cable car? I'm confused? Sadly not, the Games Travelcard which comes with your ticket will allow you to buy a Boarding Pass at the Oyster PAYG rate of ?3.20 single at the ticket office.

Did the cable car today, around a 15 min wait in the queue, but very fast across and Excel is within walking distance. I would recommend using Oyster PAYG if you can.

Watched on the BBC Red Button service on Freeview, the Old Kent Road and Peckham had massive crowds, although as the torch went down Peckham Hill Street, uniformed police ran along infront and Peckham High Street had crowd barriers.

The bus situation has changed, routes 176 and 185 are now running along LL, same for 197 between Barry Road and LL/Wood Vale. Route 40 is terminating at Goose Green.

Buses are still on diversion.

The Air Ambulance has landed on the Lordship Lane Estate.

Network Rail have revised their plans for London Bridge during the games, however Monday 30th July is still going to be the worst day. http://www.networkrail.co.uk/news/2012/july/Changes-at-London-Bridge-station-during-the-Olympic-and-Paralympic-Games/

Also you have not told > me anything new about the ELL that I didn't know > before. I suspect you're out of your depth here. Yet you and SRUG who I suspect you're a member of or at least in a senior capacity with the organisation don't mention on your website about the predicted use of the ELL, instead moaning about the lack of national rail services from Southern and Southeastern. While I admire your campaign for the SLL and additional services into Victoria, it doesn't take into consideration the overall public transport infrastructure that Peckham and Camberwell have. An extensive bus service into Central London which compensates for the lack of rail services on a par with the likes of Hackney who also have similar issues with a higher bus to rail quota. Don't get me wrong, Peckham needs more alternatives, the ELL is one, a tram service/Bakerloo line extension another and hopefully more Thameslink services from 2019. Nunhead does have a claim for improved rail services though when the main link into Central London are the poor frequency Southeastern services or the 78 bus. You can claim that I'm out of my depth or whatever, yet the reality for passengers from December will be that they'll change their travel patterns for a minority of passengers who don't use the bus or the Southeastern/Southern services not on the SLL.

Jeremy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > So many people are obsessed with the prospect of > getting "the tube" (the London Overground is not > the tube, and doesn't offer tube-style frequency), > that they're losing sight of the fact that > services from Denmark Hill and Peckham Rye to > central London are being cut significantly. The new extension may not offer the same tube frequency you'd expect in Central London, but is on a par with branches of the Metropolitan line, the Mill Hill East branch of the Northern and is more regular than the Central line's Hainault loop. While the ELL doesn't offer the Central London terminus it appears that passengers (or those who represent SRUG), it offers an easier interchange with the tube network and DLR at Shadwell. SRUG/Undisputedtruth's "it's s***" attitude to the ELL despite offering more trains and extra capacity on carriages doesn't take into consideration the change in passenger travelling habits as seen on the Sydenham line used by ED'ers who use Honor Oak Park and Forest Hill who have since 2010 put the Overground service to full capacity may lead to changes to usage in existing Southern services from Peckham Rye. Where I agree with SRUG is the lack of direct services to Victoria, although both Peckham and Camberwell have an extensive bus service to Victoria station. Is it really that inconvenient to use the 36, 185 or 436? At a LOROL stakeholder meeting I attended, a rep from TfL London Rail showed graphs of the new Clapham Junction service also being full to capacity from Peckham Rye.

Twirly Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Bic Basher - surely those who work in the City > mostly already do that? I used to work up near > Moorgate, and I'd never get the tube there. You'd be surprised, I was a regular commuter on the Northern from LB and the amount of people who'd get on between LB and Bank was staggering. You also have to factor in people who change from the Jubilee.

Magpie Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > One of my colleagues at work who specialises in > operational research suggested that the plans at > London Bridge are about minimising the number of > people in the station to prevent over-crowding - > effectively they are pushing the crowds out of the > station and will queue rail passengers into the > station in the evenings. Mornings coming up from > ED should be fine - unless of course, like this > morning, there is a signal failure. I suspect > evenings will also be ok - as the crunch platforms > will be 1 - 6, and I suspect, as was the case > after the jubilee pagent, people who want to get > to platforms 12 - 16 will be able to get in > reasonably easily as we will be funnelled off the > right handside of the main exit. > > I semi-jogged back from LB the other day and took > me around 45mins so thats going to be my fall back > plan I think the real issue for ED morning commuters is the transfer to the tube station. Considering the main ticket hall will be rammed with spectators (just think of a normal morning peak day when LB tube is closed for short periods for overcrowding), the Get Ahead of the Games site suggests walking to Borough (9 mins walk) instead of using LB tube. If passengers work just across the river, it may be wise to simply walk across to Mounment/Bank instead of using the Northern line.

Had another look at getaheadofthegames.com which has detailed information about London Bridge. On Mon 30th July, Platform's 1-6 will be shut from 6pm-10pm, the one way system will be in operation at various times and they suggest not to use LB as an interchange throughout the period.

Twirly Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Am pleased to say that my test run to Brixton on > the 37 and thence to Green Park on the Victoria > line went like a dream this morning, 45 mins bus > stop to desk. Of course it might not be quite so > smooth when everyone else is doing it, and will be > a nightmare if the Victoria line is down, but then > so is any journey when the train or tube line is > out. In fact it was so easy (got a seat and > everything!) it may become a favoured route. It helps that the 37 starts from Peckham and doesn't go anywhere near any Olympic sites. The P4 may be another option for other ED'ers.

Jeremy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Can somebody explain why London Bridge (national > rail) is going to be busy? Are we expecting > athletes/tourists/officials/etc to be staying in > SE London, Croydon, Kent, etc? Or are there venues > in these areas? London Bridge will be a major interchange between venues. The tube station has the Jubilee line which will take spectators to the Olympic Park, Archery at Lords, Gymnastics at the O2 as well as events in Central London. The overground station will transport passengers to events at Greenwich and Woolwich. GetAheadoftheGames.com also suggests Canada Water station will also be extremely busy.

Undisputedtruth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > London Bridge station will be busy in the > afternoons and evenings as many of the Olympic > events are taking place in the afternoons. There > should be no problems during the mornings. > Southeastern trains are expected to stop at London > Bridge unless there are safety concerns due to > large crowds. All information came from Vince > Lucas, Southeastern's director for service > delivery. Beach Volleyball starts at 0900 at Horseguards Parade, nearest station Charing Cross. Equestrian at Greenwich at between 10 and midday. The events at Greenwich alone will cause problems for commuters on the Woolwich line during the morning peak and have cut services from Maze Hill and will close Woolwich Dockyard for the whole duration of the games. Services will be extremely busy throughout the day as some events won't finish until midnight (i.e. Basketball) and TfL will introduce a third peak between 10pm-11.30 on tube services adding extra services to the normal evening timetable. London Overground will be running extra services down to Forest Hill and HOP until 0248 from Canada Water.

You're correct, this should bring a 10 minute service to DH and Peckham Rye to Blackfriars, City Thameslink and St. Pancras. It's also worth noting that the Maidstone East service is fast from Peckham Rye to Bromley South and from Denmark Hill to Blackfriars.

It may be worth contacting BBC London News or London Tonight with your story.

This route diagram for the proposed frequencies to Thameslink after completion has two services for Denmark Hill and Peckham Rye. 2tph from St Albans to Bellingham (which also calls at Nunhead) and 2tph from Luton to Sevenoaks which should give a 15 min service (4 trains per hour) to the core section. http://www.eastmidlandstrains.co.uk/SiteCollectionDocuments/TLP%20Route%20Diagram.pdf

Undisputedtruth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Bic Basher Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > They'll just use the Overground or the Northern > > line from Clapham instead. It'll also save > money > > for passengers who live south of Clapham who > > currently crowd the Northern to LB who can > avoid > > Zone 1 to get to Canary Wharf. > > There is no evidence to say that everyone who uses > Clapham North tube station will want to use the > East London Line to go to Canary Wharf. I'm afraid > making facts up isn't going to win you any kudos > here. Furthermore, it has been reported that there > are safety concerns at Clapham North station when > the SLL closes. Anyone who have visited the tube > station will know about the narrow platforms > filled to capacity during rush hour. Sorry Bashed > Bic but your bright idea ideas isn't that bright. > > > 2-4 carriages of very poor build for a metro > > service, despite the refurb a couple of years > > back. I'm sure you must love travelling on the > SLL > > during the peak with your face squashed against > > the door, due to the lack of capacity? > > > > London Bridge will become a mainly through > station > > thanks to the Thameslink extension, this will > > lessen space for the terminating platforms > during > > and after the work. > > > > I'd like to hope LOROL go and reach out to the > > likes of the Clapham Rail Users group and other > > local societies on the SLL to explain the > benefits > > of the Overground over the current 2 trains per > > hour service to Vic and LB as the publicity up > > until now has been about the lack of trains and > > the DfT's decision to not have Southeastern > make > > additional stops to current stations served. > > I'm a regular user of the SLL and I can say for > certain that I'll not travel to Clapham Junction > for Victoria when the SLL closes. I think most > people are more interested in getting to work as > quickly as possible rather than admiring the > spanking modern trains. I wonder if you ever used > the SLL on a daily basis? Probably not, having > heard your views. > > I also know that the users group in Clapham have > fought a hard campaign to retain the SLL. I do > detect an hint of naivety when you hoped that > LOROL will explain the benefits of the ELL. I'm > more than satisfied that these users groups know > more about the ELL than you will ever know. Excuse me Mr Troll, I'm on a South London transport user group and we're MORE than happy with LOROL's work and have spoken to a member of the Clapham user group at a LOROL meeting in the spring. While he had reservations, it wasn't a complete no to the ELL extension. Now instead of trolling like a little boy who doesn't get his way, how about debating the issue like an adult instead of trying to persuade people that it's your way or no way. You have the facts not just from me, others have clearly stated what is going to happen. Boris is attempting to gain the Metro part of Southeastern (bar the TL services currently run by them south of Blackfriars) once the franchise is up for renewal which could lead to a more regular service on the Victoria to Dartford service including late evenings and Sundays. How about supporting that instead of hiding behind a keyboard using childish remarks towards me because I don't agree with your viewpoint. Now that is the undisputedtruth.

Undisputedtruth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Bic Basher Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > And where is the capacity for the SLL once LB's > > refurb is completed? Southern (or by 2019 the > > combined TL/Southern franchise) are losing two > of > > their platforms. Despite the benefits for > local > > passengers between the two hospitals, from a > > business point of view, the line was never as > > viable as a peak time service to Sussex or the > > Surrey borders. > > > > The fact is that the Southern SLL will close > for > > good in December, passengers will benefit from > > increased services and better trains as the > > current 456 rail stock used is far from > > comfortable and travelling in the peak is > > unbearable compared to the new class 378's and > > passenger habits will change when they discover > > the improved connections made possible at CJ, > > Clapham HS, Peckham Rye, Canada Water and > > Whitechapel. > > The whole idea with extending the East London Line > was to create an orbital route through London. It > had little to do with TfL desire to improve lives > for South Londoners. Seriously have you considered > the consequences of when the SLL closes. Do you > really think that people will easily change their > job locations, avoid shopping in the west end or > any other leisure activities? Most of the better > paid jobs are located in central London, yet TfL > makes it more difficult for South Londoners to > access these jobs. Hardly progress for people > having aspirations? They'll just use the Overground or the Northern line from Clapham instead. It'll also save money for passengers who live south of Clapham who currently crowd the Northern to LB who can avoid Zone 1 to get to Canary Wharf. > I also recall a report from Clapham Rail Users > Group who simply cannot find a shred of evidence > to support Network Rail's claim that there is no > capacity for SLL after London Bridge station has > been completely rebuilt. After all, the SLL > consist of between 2 to 4 carriages. 2-4 carriages of very poor build for a metro service, despite the refurb a couple of years back. I'm sure you must love travelling on the SLL during the peak with your face squashed against the door, due to the lack of capacity? London Bridge will become a mainly through station thanks to the Thameslink extension, this will lessen space for the terminating platforms during and after the work. I'd like to hope LOROL go and reach out to the likes of the Clapham Rail Users group and other local societies on the SLL to explain the benefits of the Overground over the current 2 trains per hour service to Vic and LB as the publicity up until now has been about the lack of trains and the DfT's decision to not have Southeastern make additional stops to current stations served.

Undisputedtruth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > benevetts Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > The South London Line debate is finished I'm > > afraid and the Secretary of State has ruled on > it > > (and I'm not suggesting this is right or wrong). > > > If its any consolation passengers from Denmark > > Hill will be able to change at Peckham Rye for > a > > connection to London Bridge (which is very > > frequent and requires no change in platform). > > > The South London Line debate is not over and I'm > sure people would be campaigning for its > reinstatement once the London Bridge station has > been rebuilt in 2019. The current SoS have not > ruled on the South London Line as it was a Mayor's > decision and unable to intervene due to the > localism agenda. And where is the capacity for the SLL once LB's refurb is completed? Southern (or by 2019 the combined TL/Southern franchise) are losing two of their platforms. Despite the benefits for local passengers between the two hospitals, from a business point of view, the line was never as viable as a peak time service to Sussex or the Surrey borders. The fact is that the Southern SLL will close for good in December, passengers will benefit from increased services and better trains as the current 456 rail stock used is far from comfortable and travelling in the peak is unbearable compared to the new class 378's and passenger habits will change when they discover the improved connections made possible at CJ, Clapham HS, Peckham Rye, Canada Water and Whitechapel. In any case, passengers will still have their connection between the two hospitals via bus Route 40 which runs every 7/8 mins, which a wheelchair passenger will find easier than attempting to navigate the stairs at Denmark Hill.

With regards to the Wimbledon loop, this line appears to be the one which will be sacrificed north of Blackfriars once the Thameslink upgrade has been completed, however it should be a simple change at Blackfriars which will have an enhanced service running through the centre section from trains running from other parts of the South East. As for the SLL, Battersea Park will still be served by 2 trains per hour on the outer LB to Victoria service, which runs via Crystal Palace, while Wandsworth Road and Clapham High Street will see trains increase from 2 to four trains per hour with many more connections to tube services than at present alongside those at Clapham Junction which has many more trains to Victoria and new connections to Waterloo and other London Overground services. Denmark Hill and Peckham Rye will still have through trains to Victoria, but will see a reduction in service, especially during late evenings and Sundays. Denmark Hill passengers will have to change at Peckham Rye for trains to LB and Peckham Rye loses two trains per hour to London Bridge, although they could use the Overground and change at Canada Water for the Jubilee line. The replacement for the SLL will also interchange with Crossrail at Whitechapel once opened. When LO was introduced to Forest Hill and HOP, changes have been seen to passenger travelling habits, Southern trains which still run are not as busy and Canada Water has taken some of the strain of interchanging without the long walk between the rail and tube platforms at London Bridge.