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I have enjoyed reading this thread descend to the hysterical Daily Mail style NIMBY viewpoint. I expected nothing less after reading the title :) e-scooters are a common sight across the world. They are a useful way to get around the city. If you think they are unsafe, then do not use one. Please get a grip. Also, while this might be a stupid question: are Nigello and Rockets the same person?

Any & all development can be opposed with this "there might be more traffic" line of thinking. It seems that the creche is at least making an effort by intending to make parents sign a no-car pledge. I doubt this can be enforced by law, but all surrounding streets are permit parking and there is nowhere to pull in outside so probably it will be self enforcing. For example I do not see anybody complaining about car drop offs at the existing creche, why would this new one be any different? In all likelihood, because this looks like an expensive creche, the parents will be dropping their kids off before jumping the train into the City, the Wharf or West End. They will be not be driving to work and so unlikely to be driving to the creche to drop off their kids as there is nowhere to park in this area due to permit parking.

According to the land registry it was sold in March 2020, presumably to the company behind the planning application to open a new creche. Any talk about the building remaining a community centre is fantasy, unless people really believe that the council is going to buy it (cost was ?3.75M) and renovate it. I would rather have a company with deep pockets repair the building and bring it back into productive use, instead of letting it to rot just to appease the parking concerns of the vocal NIMBYs.

But the building has not been left to the community. It is derelict and not open to the public. Last I saw it has rubbish and general debris piled up outside and it is occupied by live in guardians for security. Have I missed something? It seems that the option before the council is to allow a proven business (it is https://nfamilyclub.com right?) to tastefully renovate the building and repurpose it as a creche which would be a valuable amenity for families in the area. Or, the building can remain derelict and the rubbish pile will grow and the building will continue to decay. Most comments read to me as NIMBY objections thinly disguised as concerns about air pollution, traffic etc. etc. The objections raised by the existing creche are understandable, but the profit margin of the existing creche is not really a planning matter.

I doubt the parking concerns are justified. If East Dulwich Grove truly is the car park that people on this forum claim it is, are local parents really going to subject themselves to traffic misery instead of just walking to the creche? After all the site is smack in the middle of a dense residential area. Walking will be the quickest for anybody local. It is depressing to read the objections against the planning application. (Most?) people would rather that the building remain derelict with rubbish piling up outside instead of it being cleaned up and repurposed as a very decent looking creche. The argument that there is an existing creche next door seems to be pretty nonsensical. Should we have prevented Yard Sale from opening next door to Franca Manca and 500 Degrees? Or should we close M&S because there is a Co-Op down the street? I haven't yet heard any parents complain that there are too many creche places in ED and it is even rarer to hear people complain that childcare is too cheap. A new creche (& the increased competition) should be welcomed by everybody except those with the most outrageous NIMBY tendencies.

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I agree. Complaining to a school that the children are laughing too much in the playground is not really a good look tbh. Are we so desperate to heap more misery on top of kids after all that we have subjected them to over the past year? Cities are noisy places. Especially London. Especially zone 2. At least the noise from a school is timeboxed and it will not cause sleep issues.

It is amusing the see a bunch of adults taking time out of their busy "work from home" day to conspire to get a 10 year old kid in trouble with his school because he didn't follow the safety cross code.

jamesmcash Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > We Goose Green councillors have just allocated > funding for a feasibility study into a cycle lane > on East Dulwich Grove, and for changes to the > physical infrastructure around East Dulwich > station, to make it more cycle friendly but also > to make it more attractive and inviting. That is great news James!

The ULEZ extension is a great idea. Anybody who says otherwise should stand behind a non ULEZ compliant diesel car in idling traffic and the rationale will become immediately obvious.

It would be good to have more cycle lanes in the area

What can Hyde Housing do? I doubt they are able to close the school down for you.

If we were to follow the logic of some angry posters on this forum no new businesses would be allowed to open lest they impact the profit margins of the established businesses in the area or worse still traffic / parking / whatever... If the council is not growing its tax base through welcoming new businesses and attracting new residents by making it a nicer borough to live in with more amenities (such as childcare) I guess those opposed to new developments are happy with the alternative outcome which is higher council tax and lower quality of services?

Metallic Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I do feel vitriolic towards people who NIMBY their > lives away without a thought for others, socially > those less able to afford an expensive nursery, > BAME residents with extra traffic already outside > their front doors, you know, those sort of people. > Those closed off roads were done at the beckoning > of a few people who don't understand joined up > living for the many, not the few. At the risk of stating the obvious... does angrily protesting this new nursery not make you a massive NIMBY?

Trolley Snatcha Wrote: > If you are annoyed by this, then do not walk down > North Cross Road on Saturday afternoon, lest you > be even more annoyed. Very, very simple solution > that works for all. ^ Exactly. I Couldn't agree more. I see no need to make life even more miserable by forcing the closure of yet another amenity, just to appease the permanently outraged covid social media mafia.

Ronnijade Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It?s not the market sellers > faults but more the governments as it is totally > unfair that one is allowed to operate under such > ridiculous conditions but we are not. I agree and I am truly very sorry to hear about your situation. The government should not be closing your employer. It is deeply troubling that they can do this on a whim. I expect that there will be a severe backlash when the economic and social consequences of these misguided closures become clear in the coming year. And rightly so.

jimlad48 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I 100% agree. > > Its also worth noting, for all the concern on > COVID deaths (many of which involved very elderly > people, who had pre-existing known health > conditions), over 800,000 people have lost their > jobs since this started. Exactly. I suspect those that have the time to spend fretting over how far apart strangers are standing while ordering a sandwich are fortunate enough to have a secure job with indefinite WFH, which can fund an endless stream of Amazon prime & Ocado deliveries. I'll bet anybody with a job in the hospitality or travel industry will have a slightly different interpretation of abstract covid risks vs. the very real and present risk of unemployment and the many consequences of financial distress.

Government guidance allows street markets such as North Cross Road to operate, and there is no UK guidance that says to wear a face mask outdoors. It seems to me that the people I see at the market are indeed "following really really simple guidance". Street markets are a very safe way for people to socialise, shop and get a bite to eat without the worries of poor ventilation and close physical contact indoors. If you do not think the market is a safe place for whatever reason, my advice to you is to not go to the market.

There is an easy solution to this vexing problem... if you are not comfortable in crowds, then do not go into the crowded Saturday market. Problem solved.