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Fantastic Romnarz and Lynne, great offer, now is the time to get growing, I don't need any but hopefully someone will take you up on your offer.

Agree gromit and DF, I know people taking cash out, afraid the ATMs might not be filled up, others worried about banks. Almost everyone I have spoke with recognises this virus has not came near to killing the amount of people that flu kills, we know there is no figures on the amount of people who have akready had it. As someone says in another thread, there was a terrible flu in the winter. It had very similiar symptoms as this virus, There were so many younger people had this, Christmas day was a nightmare in my house. My son manages a small work force 30 (young) who all apart from 2 people went down with it. The cough took weeks to go. I wonder who will get the test,when it comes, to check whether they have had it or not. The other thing I think we can be certain of is not knowing what is going on, the link above,that Bobbly gave seems to be giving info about decisions made regarding moivement in europe from when we leave EU the end of this year. Maybe this is not new and I was unaware, plus I haven't read it all. What with the coronavirus overtaking daily thoughts, eg food etc.

And its also easier to help people out, even thought the buses are cashless you can still give someone money to put credit on there oyster if they are refused on bus. I only use cash and know lots of people who do. Very interesting link Bobbly, so much info, it seems a lot of things have been decided as far as leaving the EU is concerned, thanks.

Thanks Charles, I am lucky as I have family my concern is how frightening it must be to see how quickly people are to accept the cashless situation. I realise there are places where cash is accepting but with it being difficult to buy what you need the last thing we need is to be making it harder especially for old people. Things are picked up and put back in shops all the time. It is one thing looking at ways to stay safe but the reality as we have been told is that our hope lies at the moment on natural immunity. This is an old concept, there is a fine line between building a strong immunity and recognising precaution and protection.

Hi James, Has there been anything set up for homeless at this time, where can they self isolate.

Spare a thought for people on the streets who have nowhere to self isolate, worried about lock down.

I do not have a card where I can buy anything, some of the comments on here are so selfish. Maybe we should start burning the books, the cardbiard that the homeless sleep on. Its disgusting.

Thanks penguin68, I expect the woods are maintained by councils although I wonder if wild garlic would fall into the category of cultivated by private bodies.

Penguin68. I think its a pity no one is benefiting from this plant with it great properties. I agree it should be done with care and thought. I am not sure what Brian means by illegal. although I have no doubt his intention are for what's best but it would be interesting to know.

Edcam, I didn't realise Brian was saying its illegal to pick wild garlic, I thought he meant it was illegal to trample on plants in fenced areas. I was asking as i've been involved with community projects where as a volunteer I have been given some of veg grown. I was not inviting nor asking for myself, I am aware there are laws protecting plants, although with wild garlic I thought it was the actual digging up that was illegal. I appreciate and respect the care being taken but i also am interested in the laws surrounding foraging. Thanks for link Angelina.

Brian up the hill, thank you for maintaining safe pathways. Does the wild garlic get used by any of the volunteers. Does the bluebells share the ground with wild garlic? I thought most of the wild garlic in the woods was fenced. It would be nice to think the benefits of this wild plant are being used, by people who understand the habitat and how to pick it.

Thanks Blah Blah, what worries me is a mutation happening artificially through mixing live vaccines. Heres a link regarding flumist (nasal spray) https://www.healio.com/infectious-disease/influenza/news/online/%7Ba519fce5-639b-4649-92b7-f1f8ff265443%7D/genetic-mutation-in-flumist-could-be-altered-to-restore-effectiveness I do not know the outcome to AstraZenekas tests regarding these mutations, nor can I see what virus gentically mutated. I believe This to be important news and I also believe parents should be made aware of information, although it may be difficult to understand scientifically, language can be simplified not used as a way to allow companies to hide behind. Teddyboy23 I find different figures depending on where you look, the stats are also used in a way that can confuse.

Hi Natasha (hopeful),thank you for caring for this community garden. I was wondering how access to the physic garden will work, I feel rather saddened the garden will no longer be open to freely atttend, i have often sat around this beautiful space, reading, relaxing. I realise the new beds will be available, I am wondering why the garden can't move there. Can you tell me when the garden will be moving, thank you.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2883798/ From this link.

Conclusions LAV vaccines have provided ideal protection from several major diseases, but have not lived up to their potential due to limited applicability and safety concerns. Advances in molecular biology have opened the door to novel approaches to viral attenuation and may lead to a new generation of safer LAVs (Table 2). Though replication-defective LAVs have encountered some problems, this approach to attenuation is on the cusp of providing safe, effective vaccines for several diseases. Several other approaches to attenuation are poised to overcome other problems specifically associated with vaccine design for RNA and DNA viruses. For many RNA viruses where high mutation rates limit the efficacy of vaccines, altering the replication fidelity can attenuate the entire virus population, leading to population collapse without mutation of key immunogenic epitopes. Codon deoptimization provides a systematic means by which to attenuate any virus. By substituting synonymous codons throughout a viral genome, there is no loss of immunogenicity and little risk of reversion to wild type. Zinc finger nucleases and miRNAs can be used to control the replication of DNA and RNA viruses, respectively. By controlling viral replication temporally or spatially, a strong, natural immune response can be elicited before the virus is eliminated. These may be particularly useful approaches for designing vaccines against persistent or latent viruses, as ZFNs and miRNAs lead to the elimination of all viral DNA or RNA, thus preventing chronic infection. Blah Blah you seem to have understanding of scientific language, can you explain in laymans terms the safety concerns of live vaccines, sorry I cannot put up whole link, i have phone and don't know how to. It would be interesting to hear in laymans terms an explaination on antigen shift/drift.

teddyboy23 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > At the moment according to the (who) influenza > kills between 290-000 and 650-000 globally each > year. In the UK 12000 people have died from > influenza from Oct 2019 up to 7th march 2020 these Teddyboy23, could you please give a link to these stats,I can't find them. I felt this winters flu was the worst i've ever encountered as in the amount of young people affected, the cough that went with it took weeks even months in some cases to go. When the coronavirus came to light many healthy people who had the flu thought thts what they must have had, as they had never felt so ill. I didn't think the figures had been given out yet. > are mostly people with underlying health problems > .which is mostly the elderly.plus 39 children.very > very sad

Ha ha, very funny, you gotta laugh.

Blah Blah, The problem with the flu vaccines available, they have never reached the official percentage with efficiency for herd immunity to be reached. Would artificial immunity compromise natural immunity.

I find it very strange when artificial immunity has been used, as the only example regarding herd immunity with infectious diseease, when natural immunity has been mentioned it is often tied with conspiracy. Regardless of the flu vaccines, the deaths from flu, especially in vulnerable people, I welcome natural immunity.

Johnl thanks for that, although its not really clear in stating the number of people who were healthy. One of the doctors in Wuhan that died, the reason for death was heat atteck brought on by overwork. Edited to say of the 51 who died I cannot see what group they were in, whether they had underlying conditions, sorry on phone and not easy to go back, does it give this info.

JohnL, do you have any confirmed stats of people who have died without underlying health problems.when you are in a life or death situation,if you are someone with health problems, often a lung condition from the flu, I don't believe you can say itnot as bad as coronavirus, looking at the 10 people who have died to the people who have died with flu does not make any sense, certainly not for the patients.

Can't find any confirmed cases of people dying without underlying health issues. It may be an added threat, althought this reality of dying from flu if you are in that situation, seems a much bigger threat.

https://www.pirbright.ac.uk/news/2020/01/pirbright%E2%80%99s-livestock-coronavirus-research-%E2%80%93-your-questions-answered There is vaccines for the coronavirus being used on animals, not this strain, although there has been much research around the Coronavirus.

That depends how you see things Johnl. No vaccine is 100%.

http://wildfeast.co.uk/tag/three-cornered-leek Three cornered leeks grow in my garden, I eat the bulbs to keep them down. Just found this info on link above, how ants help the spread moving seeds and pickling seeds, might try that this year. I love the flowers. Edited to say the ants don't pickle them, ha ha