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https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00210-5 Here is another more up to date link on the rules around this research being revisited. and a calling for more transparency around these experiments from US disease researchers while others argued greater transparency could make it harder to approve necessary research. very interesting. There is enough natural mutations, can't help feel this type of research is interfering with nature. There is already mistrust around vaccines and the inabilitity to recognise damage done by vaccines regardless of governments vaccine damage schemes. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00210-5 here is also a link regarding the flumist mutation found in 2017, I am not sure if this was found in the nasal spray but I do know there was a mutation found but If anyone knows that would be interesting. Influenza subtype H3N2 is one of several subtypes shown to mutate when grown in chicken eggs. I'm not going to go on but I find using animals in this way where mutations are only found after being introduced into the human system, very frightening. when I first read about this it was hailed as a discovery. If this is the nasal flu vaccine. how it would help invaccine research. I would ne more interested in the effect it may have had on my child if I had allowed this to be done. Sorry I know Ive went on.

https://mbio.asm.org/content/5/6/e02366-14 Here is a link to "gain of function research". If you are interested about what goes on in labs I would suggest reading a number of diffeeent descriptions. I believe the US funded this research in Wuhan labs. I'll post a link but have to edit to add it. https://conservativedailypost.com/evidence-fauci-funded-virus-gain-of-function-study-making-transmission-to-humans-possible/ Does anyone know if this has been confirmed. Although its no longer banned this research, I believe it is an accident waiting to happen if it hasn't aleeady.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/the-nih-gain-of-function-research-decision-wasnt-partisan/ Heres a link about "gain of function research". I don't believe anyone reads one article and agrees with all views. Blah bkah you seem to be suggesting people cannot agree and disagree with people. This research was stopped due to the fact it was not safe. would suggest people educate themselves especially on safety issues surrounding thes labs. I do not have the time to put links and Blah Blah mentions thus woman was a discredited lab technician, she was arrested , held for 5days no charges were brought. I would love to hear a debate and accusations put to her, where we are given a chance to hear something more than the usual continuation of discrediting.I can't help feel these people that believe others must be silenced or discredited are so frightened there own reality and importance of there knowledge is under question its impossible to even consider there may be something of interest to be heard. What a shame, to close off everything because theres only a choice of believe everything or nothing. No one questions the surgeon about to save your lif because you dying. Although if a chance arises after surgery many people do. Why not, that is how we understand.If its as simple as ond doctor discrediting colleagues, woyldn' it be easier to discredit her by having a public debate. Instead of people attatching her to a story that is spread by people who are worried they are questioned on there expertise. What a sorry state of affairs.

Blah blah Assumw what you wish. Its so easy to sum people up. Its a typical way of shutting people up. Yes we have been over it before and have different opinions. This woman has made this video on a atform where she is free to speak uncensored and unedited. In response to accusations of conspiracies. Imagine people of science agreeing to unedited interviews. Hey theres an idea.or maybe scientist with different opinions are frightened the unedited vesrsion of events will be to dangerous to hear. Might even put them in a situation of saying they don't understand. Remember the last pandemic. The vaccine. Cospiraloons on the streets because there children suddenly diagnosed with narcolepst , bloody conspiraloons. Oh no wait a minute. We do not need yo be protected from information regardless off how different it is from our own view. Hopefully we will see people coming together. New platforms emerging that breaks down a system of being fed a pile of bs which encourages people to divide. Imagine that a conspiracy to be heard and to try and break down the divide, an open platform. I can't believe how easy it would be to have a conservation and debunk scientist/doctors who do not believe the narrative and will put there experiences of Covid over. Instead they are silenced. Its not one doctor. Its not about who knows the most. All this knowledge now about face masks .regardless that its not a new phenomena and 7 months later its decided its what should be done. Im sure the science in that is to difficult for us to understand. Opening libraries, books crossing hands, whatever next cash will be safe again or maybe not. I haven't met anyone who hasn't been thrown into a srate of confusioN THROUGH THIS. Iexpect not for the scientificly minded who are desperately trying to justify A system yhat hasn't had a clue.

Blah blah Assumw what you wish. Its so easy to sum people up. Its a typical way of shutting people up. Yes we have been over it before and have different opinions. This woman has made this video on a atform where she is free to speak uncensored and unedited. In response to accusations of conspiracies. Imagine people of science agreeing to unedited interviews. Hey theres an idea.or maybe scientist with different opinions are frightened the unedited vesrsion of events will be to dangerous to hear. Might even put them in a situation of saying they don't understand. Remember the last pandemic. The vaccine. Cospiraloons on the streets because there children suddenly diagnosed with narcolepst , bloody conspiraloons. Oh no wait a minute. We do not need yo be protected from information regardless off how different it is from our own view. Hopefully we will see people coming together. New platforms emerging that breaks down a system of being fed a pile of bs which encourages people to divide. Imagine that a conspiracy to be heard and to try and break down the divide, an open platform. I can't believe how easy it would be to have a conservation and debunk scientist/doctors who do not believe the narrative and will put there experiences of Covid over. Instead they are silenced. Its not one doctor. Its not about who know? the most.

https://londonreal.tv/responding-to-criticism-surrounding-my-viral-documentary-the-plandemic-dr-judy-mikovits/ Judy Mikovit, "responding to criticism surrounding my viral documentary the plandemic" On freedom platform London Real. It is not about following one way, I find it insulting information is deemed to dangerous for the public to hear, especially with the conflicting information that has been given out. This woman is one of many who have spoken out and been silenced. She has first hand information along with others who have and are working against what they have found to be situations and research that are taking us down a very dangerous path. There is a recognition of how whilst working in this industry that it is not the majority of scientists under question, they're intention and belief is to do what is best. I don't like 2 sides seperately, why can't we hear them together. Let us make our own judgement on what we hear. Health services weren't able to cope with the vulnerable people needing treatment. All the studies done on quarantine, solitary confinement etc over the years, the effect of coming out of lockdown to a different world, where choices can't even be made sense of. A disgrace.media a disgrace and a right to hear/have different views being disncouraged long before the pandemic. I am more worried about there dangerous research in labs where pathogens are mutated and made more viralent, kknowing the potential for mistakes to be made. What a disgrace. Gain of function. Edited to say wharever your title in health it is obvious poverty and health are linked. We have o idea of the loss of life that will come from the consequences of our experts advice. And so they continue taking our choices and freedoms away. Scared to death, building a safe world. where they will lead us. Except when it doesnt pan out how they say, then its diwn to us for not doing this or doing that. When we all know the rules have been broken all along, everyone justifying there own behaviou and of course pointing the finger at the same time. Good night.

Blah Blah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > TE44, we have an excess death count, compared to > the year on year average, that can be explained in > no other way than being the result of this > pandemic. In the winter, if a second wave hits, we > will see another excess death count, compared to > the figures seasonal flu delivers. We have a moral > duty to protect life and the only way that can be > effectively done during a pandemic is in the way > that governments around the world have responded. > > > The cost to the economy of doing nothing is bigger > longer term. Why? because business is equally hit > hard when millions of people are too sick to work > at any given time, and health resources, unable to > cope with the pandemic, can't treat anyone else > either. Why do you think Spanish Flu (the last > unfettered global pandemic) killed an estimated 40 > million plus? Why do you think that had a > depressive economic impact? Why do you think > Manchester, who did employ what we would now > recognise as social distancing and lock down > measures, had less than other cities that did not > in 1918? > > And by other doctors/ scientists who have > different ideas and experiences, please don't say > you mean the discredited voices behind hogwash > like 'Plandemic'. Those people are deliberately > peddling claims they know are not true, and are a > disgrace to science. Sorry on phone and miss posts. The disgrace to science should absolutely be under question. We are being put at risk by research which is danferous and revolves around money. You mention Hudy Mitovic a woman who worked for years in labs including level4 safety. She worked on vaccines and was very much part of the scientific community. If she is peddling lies why is'nt she given a chance to debate her claims on a public platform. Why is she being banned and vilified. Why can't the public be given the chance to decide for themselves. Oh of course we're not able to hear different truths, opinions, experiences. Let a discussion be allowed, i actually believe now people in science cannot do what Judy Mikovit has done and admit to believing she was doing the right think whilst she worked with HIV and Ebola only to realise she was wrong and how crooked the industry is.

Bkah blah I know its an old study, I thought it would be less likely to be related to conspiracy as pre covid. It is the first time I have ever seen that link so your assumptions of the sources you believe I am following shows how easy it is to believe when people differ from your own views it is easier to group people together. I was actualky speaking from a personal view and what I would regard as common sense. If your inhalation is restricted I believe that has an effect.

Is it helping and not causing problems? Time will tell. It may be the least of our worries regarding choices, who knows theres enough people willing to believe whatever picture! story or number given. After all its not like we can't trust our governments or people in power.can you imagine the conspiracy if you thought that.

https://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT00173017 An old study on facemasks, pre covid.

Blah blah Can you tell me why people with lung problems are exempt from wearing one on transport if there is no problem wearing one.

Blah Blah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > TE44 Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Blah blah. Carry on like this, where people are > > following rules where no questions are > answered, > > then when they are, they contradict past > > decisions. Primarily surgeons wear masks to > > protect patients. Yes masks are worn in some > > workplaces to protect the wearer. The second > wave > > is being woven like a threat which divides > those > > who do not want to hear, give conversation or > > platform to the scientist who disagree with the > > narrative. An narrative that has not made sense > > from the start. > > The concept of a virus that spreads easily, > hospitalises a large percentage of people and > kills, by the latest global stats, 9 per cent of > confirmed cases, should be an easy enough concept > to grasp, irregardless of government messaging. > > The governments problem is that they have an > economy to manage as well as the virus and they > are struggling to find the best way forward. Blah blah, the governments problem is justifying thee deaths! Deprivation and all the other things we can look forward to that has come from there actions to deal with a pandemic that has not seen the people die that was expected. Niw the government may say that is because of there actions, so what has changed that saved the millions from dying that it would now call for face masks to be mandatory. The flu will be upon us soon, why not learn from there mistakes and actually care for the vulnerable. Its so much easier when we are pointing the finger at one another rather than asking why it is alright to take away our rights, lets hear a debate from doctors/ scientists who have different ideas and experiences around this virus. Or will they continue to vilify and encourage us to blame one another rather than look at what is going on.

Kk I don't believe its about self entitlement nor is it as simple as saying people don't take it seriously. When people do not take the word of corrupt instirutes who do not have our best interest at heart. We do not have to follow rules which can be changed at the drop of a hat or sbould I say science expertise that refuse to have any conversation with other scientists/ doctors who do not agree with measures pit in place. And resign to the usual insults.

Blah blah. Carry on like this, where people are following rules where no questions are answered, then when they are, they contradict past decisions. Primarily surgeons wear masks to protect patients. Yes masks are worn in some workplaces to protect the wearer. The second wave is being woven like a threat which divides those who do not want to hear, give conversation or platform to the scientist who disagree with the narrative. An narrative that has not made sense from the start.

They are not simple rules there has been contradictory advice about wearing masks, there are many people feel there breathing is prohibited wearing one. I do not believe it will benefit anyone in the long run, in fact I think it wilhave an negitive impact on our immune system and will interfere with natural immunity. If someone was ill then maybe it can protect but how many people especially at this time would be travelling on public transport if they were ill. 40,000 people did not die because people weren

I don't understand why people can feel they can let go of anger, or feel a meme can be "brilliant". When it only leaves divide. Its stereo typing, it does not help in bringing people together, yes there may be people who fit that template, does that mean assumptions can be made about people if they speak out about what they feel is causing divide. I don't know OP but I don't beieve he/she has brought up anything thats inflammatory. We do not know peoples individual lives. I am worried how it is becoming the norm to not allow people to speak or differ. Was it Bush that says, your either with us or your not. Leaving no room only sides.

https://www.gavi.org/our-alliance/about I believe the choice to refuse vaccines might still be there but like face mask you will be limited on what is available for you.This has always been my concern. This us an industry that is so corrupt, whilst convincing people there own immune system is unable to work, without a vaccine our survival is under threat. An industry that has paid millions of pounds after found guilty of false advertising.does this mean everyone in the industry is corrupt, no. The swine flu has been mentioned, I believe that was a farce although then the internet was not policed as it is today. A divide has been encouraged over the years to the point people are discouraged and banned from questioning from another point of view. We have government officials giving out information on statistics of virus then in same breath saying the figures may include people who havent been tested. Welcome to the new norm antisense.

Thanks Snowy, I can see its related with tax exemptions, made me laugh the history going back to HenryV111. I would find it more interesting why BLM chose ActBlue to organise there charity, it seem to me thats what they do, then charities alone bring up a whole different discussion.

Thanks sidhue, here is a link to status 501c3, I neither have knowledge and recognise the number of wayswe may learn, It is easier to hear from someone who wishes to simplify there knowledge or understanding for people who may struggle, thank you. I will try to read the link I've posted later when it may make more sense. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/501©(3)_organization

Snowy, great maybe you can explain in laymans Terms what 501c3 status means and why a charity could be involved in politics, thanks.

https://support.actblue.com/donors/about-actblue/why-is-actblue-considered-a-pac/ https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2.php?cycle=2020&strID=C00401224

ActBlue is a PAC as well as being a non prfit making charity. This seems contradictory. Taken from Robbies link above fec.gov Political action committees Separate segregated funds SSFs may make contributions to candidates and to their authorized committees. Learn more about contributions from SSFs to candidates Nonconnected PACs Generally, nonconnected PACs may make contributions to influence federal elections, subject to the Act?s limitations and reporting requirements. As nonconnected committees that solicit and accept unlimited contributions from individuals, corporations, labor organizations and other political committees, Super PACs and Hybrid PACs do not make contributions to candidates.

JohnL, A really good article and explaination of how priviledge is not an either/or, its an individual way of looking at many aspects of your life. It also softens the term white priviledge, recognising a racial advantage does not take away individuals relating with oppresion they have/are encountering.

Injustices, deaths in custody, documentary was refused air time. It was shown on channel 4 building after mayday shenaigans early 2000. Heres a link, sorry on phone so have to go back to copy documentary which I will edit to add https://www.pressgazette.co.uk/c4-cowards-wont-show-death-in-custody-film/ Documentary

If you are only willing to listen when you agree with whats being said it doesn't leave room for solutions, you are often left with a divide where one side believes they are entitled to shut the other down, even when both agree on the injustice. There is no doubt white people cannot understand the same injustices black people face, that does not mean we cannot relate. People are individuals regardless of which group they belong to and amidst the fight that comes against injustices we stand together and seperately. That concept of coming together must move and allow people to speak. I honestly cannot see anything the cat has said that would warrant wishing he'd leave. Priviledge is a huge and complex issue, used in the context of white priviledge can be simple enough but outside of the group, individually it can be a complex matter.