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Blah blah, I am not talking about just people with asthma either. I believe people are taking the moral high ground and amongst that it is creating disabled people being targetted. Individually people do what they believe is right, not everyone, but through these times I have saw people who have been asked to oversee guidelines being followed by others. I have noticed on different levels there is a number of people who have abused there position and got carried away with whatever power they now believe they have. This is a common problem with humans and I believe it is part of creating that bad and good simplicity. I hope this makes sense, I cant read it back at the moment.

Appointments, cancelled then when hospitals were quieter than normal, re-booked. We mustn't forget at the height of deaths, more than half from care homes, we were advised not to wear masks. I am assuming many people do not trust the information being given and are aware how contradictive it is. Eg don't go to hospitals or gps, you are protecting the vulnerable. Please go to your doctors keep hospital appointments. There was recognition that there advice was effecting the vulnerable. The vulnerable are again being put into a situation over masks, it is not as simple as look how good and selfless I am or look how selfish these people are, by Autumn they'll be coughing and sneezing in peoples faces, they don't care. If only they were all over 75 it would be easier to identify them. Who knows maybe laughing will have guidlines soon, a paper bag to laugh in of course there can be exemptions for under 3s and some health problems.

Alice,can you remind me why docters had to text vulnerable patients to remind themm to not be frightened to keep appointments, etc. I was replying to Blah Blahs comment on people generally shielding. The "if they are ill" added by you puts a different context to what I actually said but it opens it up a bit. I actually know many people especially older people being cared for at home by family and yes Alice, my family included. have felt safer at home even when hospital has been advised. Mostly through fear of contacting the virus.

Blah Blah. People are coughing and sneezing every year. Are you saying people who don't wear masks are so selfish they will not take into account other people whilst doing this. There is many people with breathing problems who cannot wear a mask. There are many people with other disabilities who are exempt, some believe they would rather have an asthma, panic attack etc for fear of covid or to believe they are being less selfish or whatever reasoning they may have. Not all vulnerable people feel more fear from people not wearing masks. Many vulnerable people do not wish to be taken to hospital, nor seperated from there family. You are making assumptions that most people not wearing masks don't care about who gets ill. Whilst you do not seem to recognise the health effect of vulnerable people being caught between this black and white view.

Not forgetting our immune systems job is redundant in a germ free enviroment. We must recognise the vulnerable but lets also recognise the position vvulnerable have been put in. The amount of people who are frightened of peoples reactions to them being unable to wear a mask, people judging and watching for recognisable conditions to there idea of disablement.the belief the vast majority are just selfish. Oh what a caring enviro for the vulnerable.

First Mate, this link has a list of a number of things offered. Maybe you could phone and inquire. https://www.guysandstthomas.nhs.uk/our-services/community/southwark/dulwich-hospital.aspx

There is also a link to many physical complex conditions affecting different parts of the body brought about through isolation and loneliness. Protection. Mental torture and murder. And not even allowing loved ones to be with them when they died. This will never be forgotten. https://www.nia.nih.gov/news/social-isolation-loneliness-older-people-pose-health-risks

Brtween March and June there were almost 30,000 more deaths in care homes than there was in 2019. Its disgusting how old people are being treated. The test Randox ( sorry that may be wrong . On phone and can't check) was pulled for some very vague reason which we are not privvy to. This has affected people being able to visit elderly family and friends, although there is outside visits. Not everyone is able for this. I cannot believe how cruel this is. After how they've already been treated. Its disgusting, why havent the government made a statement by now about why this test was pulled and why if they are doing as many tests as they say, care homes are not top priority. Taking the 30,000 care home deaths along with the people who were counted as covid deaths who died from something else, then the ones who weren't tested but symptomatically diagnosed, it is hardly a pandemic. Fear is used as a cover up from truth. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/health/relatives-care-home-delays-coronavirus-lockdown-a4513566.html

Yes we can agree on that Blal blah. The search for truth and absolutes is diverse in cultures religions etc, some may say it is seperate, of opinion but maybe when people believed the world was flat it never made a huge difference immediately to there lives to find out it was, regardless whether they believed it or not. I don't think Ive ever met anyone who thinks that now, but if I did I would have no inclination to change there view, nor argue the right or wrongs. If it effected me personally eg restrictions on movement etc then we are looking at a similiar situation to now. I actually don't feel a lot of what is going on is related to covid. A culture has grown where people are threatened by different views, different truths, to the point of attempting sometimes succeeding in silencing people. Human nature searches for answers trying to make sense or make simpler complex matters. This has at times been done at the sacrafice of nature. Enjoy the day.

Blah blah Its called choice, you know that old fashioned way where people were allowed to decide what they believed to be best. Its becoming an unusual concept for some. But hey ho so is freedom, responsibility for your own health etc. Listen to me speaking almost like the majority of people have a natural system within where we dont have to spend our life terrified that someone may breathe to close to us. Its a much bigger picture of course when we look at everything outside of ourselves. Heres a tv interview with Matt Hancock on facemasks couple of days ago. https://www.bitchute.com/video/Wpfxu5LDVgkk/

Oops and j a welcome to the forum.

Blah blah, Im sure your expertise will never leave room for you to have critical thinking. When speaking of psuedo viruses in a previous thread, you explained there safety without any mention of previous dangers. You did not deny this when I gave you an example of this not been the case. You may have good intentions but I cannot ignore the danger I feel from people who believe people should only listen without an opinion. Kk sorry about express, ive never in my life read it, maybe you'd like to give a list of papers that are acceptable for majority of people to relate to. Scientific papers are easier only to people that have been following for years. I have put these up on previos threads around the gainbof function research. Pp Sorry I am not clear, I am aware of this, it is partly related to a long term health condition.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1305988/Coronavirus-cover-up-china-experiment-theories-lab-wuhan-COVID-19-contagious There is a concern around work being done and safety issues. Its crazy we have seen over the last few years a growing silencing of voices where people believe they are morally, intellectually, superior enough to quieten people who have different beliefs from them. They accussations of being dangerous for not thinking there way, i believe, is connected to the removing of rights we are now encountering. The war against nature, mans inability to stop interfering at a level that is so much more dangerous that words. The link I have given is in regards to a more recent article regarding some of the work done in labs, why it was banned over the danger of this research. Is this another thing officialdom has changed its mind over. Yes its been spoke about here even to the point Blah blah has agreed on these dangers.How many one off incidents does it take. Do I trust this inrerference this crreating and mutations of viruses done in these labs, no I do not. Does that make me dangerous to express what I believe. Justification , or what did blah blah say before, you cant have it all ways. I dont want it all ways, I want safety and transparency and an opening for different opinions. Is that so dangerous. Have a good day, im going out to enjoy the rain.

J.a. its hardly breaking news. Keep up the divide.

Ha ha yeah a rabbit hole for you.I like digging, mazes labarynths. Theres a cosy wee room before the entrance, masks only, no speaking lou, no singing and def no thinking for yourself put yer feet up. Ha ha.

Blah blah. If the government knew very little about this new virus which has been studied and tested for a long time then maybe it is time to stop it, stop the work going on with animals and virus es they know little about. There is a level of study where there cN be safety without putting the planets life at risk. Then a cover up about work done with corona viruses and horseshoe bats. How on earth can we find thus connection with animals and humans. Oh wait a minute isnt that what the scientist are playing with. The government is very quick to give responsibility to us, ridiculous advice, while they are allowing science to become a danger to our existence. I understand you are probably a man/ woman of science, you havve your own opinions and rights to believe what you wish, I have no inclination to ask you to "stop it". I have a strong desire to see work these institutional health organisations are doing stopped. They are our biggest threat.

Yes blah Blah, people were giving information from the beginning that was contractive, we do not know how it would have been if it had been done different. We know people have been terrified, we know there has been a lack of transparency around work done in labs and effect of that work. We know we have lost many of our rights, we know we must do as we're ttold, we know to speAk out against the given narrative regardless of whether you disagree with the job you are asked to do does not make sense. Mandatory has become a word that means not to question, surprise sorprise. Why do you think people were scared to go to hospital, yes there are things to learn. Maybe a good idea not to terrify people to death, confuse people with there info into not wanting to live anymore. Because they know best. Face masks , have they changed the law no, will ut be a criminal or civil matter. Do the please legally have the power to fine people who don't wear one, do they have the right to access to your medical conditions or do they prefer people choose whether to put themselves at risk with physical conditions they have rather than not wearing a mask. Because they are still terrified, not just of the virys but how they may be treated and looked on if the dont. Where is the info from governments regarding what people can do for themselves. Our best interest what a joke. You dont have to be an economist to see what damage has been done. It equals lives. For a virus that would have been so much worse if we hadnt done what we done. What a joke, I suppose we'll se these figures next. Symptomatic diagnosis, counted without being tested, what did Hancock say again, remember the figures include those not tested. So long ago now, well at least they opened the pubs early, showing how much our health is the priority.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1308454/cancer-treatment-delay-nhs-coronavirus Blah blah, cancer experts are raising concerns over lockdown. This isn't about some people thinking or assuming wrongly this is the reality of the action of lockdown. I have known 2 people who have been diagnosed and died from cancer in a short time in the last 5 weeks. I also know 3 people who have had elderly parents die from what they believe to be natural cause but recorded as covid deaths. Swedens had 412 deaths under 70 years old from 5,600 deaths (aprox). Only time will tell. Yes I agree the benefits along with adverse reactions have been studied not only from 1918 but looking at quarantine, solitary isolation. It makes you wonder why the vulnerable were so badly cared for. Why, as deaths go down, are new guidelines being given that was not deemed neccesary when deaths were high. Madagascar how are they doing, must have a look. Edited to say Madagascar locked down, sorry forgot why that country stuck in my mind, of course the Artemesia drink.

Yes Johnl, the validity of the data for cause of death from covid has been under question from just about the beginning. This questioning came from front line NHS staff who voices were quietened. It ?annot be without emotion now.

Agree Johnl This is more about the work not being there rather than people to frightened to leave there houses. Matt Hancock calls for review on Covid19 deaths after PHE confirms natural deaths have been counted as covid19 deaths.

Yes people have concerns and fears regarding going back to work, considering all we are hearing regarding our only way out is relying on a medical cure, for a virus that will see more people die because of the actions taken. I actually havent met many people who are so terrified of the virus they dont want to go back to work, in fact I believe many people are longing to go back, and actually believe contrary to media non sensensical scare tactics that our immune system has not stopped working yet. The doctors are under enormous pressure, how easy are people finding it to rely on the medical proffesion. Certainly not the thousands of people who have not recieved treatment or diagnoses whilst lockdown has continued. I think we will find the death stats will overshadow deaths from the virus. And again we have a situation with masks where we arebeing pitched against each other. No choice is the only outcome.

Yes lets respect each other, and remember disabled people who are exempt from wearing face masks can easily become targets. The choice of one condition or covid is not as simple for people with multiple health problems.

Here is a link to meditation,talks and videos put together for pandemic care. I was sent it by a friend at beginning of pandemic. I have did some of the meditations which I found useful especially at night. I have not really looked at it all as things have evolved but thought I would share. https://www.tarabrach.com/pandemic/

Blah blah I think we have different ideas of natural. It is organic yes but it is man made. I believe it is to big a risk this kind of research. I also feel humans cannot be trusted when in comes to trying to understand nature. We tend to look at nature like it must be controlled. I am not against science in fact I love science and am grateful for advancements made but we as humans are our own worse enemies. We do not have a right to interfere and justify any actions for what we believe to be best. If it was the case it was for the good of mankind the industry would have to change. There is a virus going around that worries me more than the corona, it is a human condition. Denial is part of it. And a right to behave like we are the only living beings on this planet. I wish you a good day, im having a break for a few days as it effects me physically using my phone. It is to much of an effort for me.

Blah blah I understand viruses mutate my probkem is our interference with the mutation. Im sure you will be aware of Dr Ralph Baric who was working with gain of function research and sars virus. I would not say whatdeveloped from that work was a natural mutation. His worry was this type of rresearch would be suspended. Why interfere and mutate a virus when they cannot yet understand viruses natural mutation. It seems madness and dangerous to be doing this work with the reasons being to help find a virus when we are faced with a zoonotic mutation. Thus was 2015. So with this work did they find a vaccine. How far can they go with this research. https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985 Edited to say the link above of the mutation of the fluvirus subtype H3N3 clearly says it was caused by the growing in a chicken egg, i would not ckass that as a natural mutation either.