TE44

The cat, As we can see by this thread discussion is no longer an option. Accusation, which in itself is alright if the intent is to open the conversation but it is often with the intention to silence. It feels very much a reality that many people who believe themselves to be tolerant, advocates for free speech able to celebrate and respect differences can only do this within the confines of people who agree with them. Being with, like minded people can be a relief especially when you are a minority, it can create a feeling of safety, although as groups last we see the same problems arising with power, self importance and human traits where many of the things associated with fairness, freedoms, left thinking are not only compromised but only exist for the group individuals have associated with. This feels rife in many walks of life at this time. People who say they agree with not silencing, silencing, words and actions, behaviours no longer match. Left and right politics feel the same to me, but left is still associated with fairness and higher moral ground, followers/ voters people who have supported decisions and actions often continue to support behaviours, beliefs they have agreed with even when they are behaving in a way that is contradictive to the words they are using. We are being fed so much contradiction through our systems of communication whilst there is a silencing going on worldwide. Many friends of mine are recognising and questioning the left especially as this behaviour we would normally associate with the right seems now ingrained in left. Individuals sre moving from people blinded by there own beliefs blinded to there behaviour. Sorry if this is not clear but I struggle with finding words and time using my phone.

How bizzare, i've just clicked on the link to copy so I can read later and its a different link now.

Siduhe Thanks for that link, I haven't read it all but seems thorough and inclusive of everyone. I was confused as I couldnt find the info you related with the link.

Snowy if they are outside of charity law surely action would have been taken to remove status. I don't believe this is the case. Kk if people themselves have problems with there sexuality surely if there relationship with there chosen therapist is consensual its up to them.

https://www.core-issues.org/news/ex-gay-christian-counsellor-hounded-out-by-psychotherapist-associations Siduhe, I am not looking at the same document on your link. Above is some information on Mike Davidson, I find it very interesting,at times both sides being put accross seem to have the same interest, as in allowing people , especially people who struggle, to queation find, be comfortable and accept there own sexuality. My concern is choice. And of course banks closing accounts because of pressure from groups who believe themselves to be oppressed. As is in the first link I put up, what about countries where it is illegal to have same sex relationships. I actually would like to think more open minded countries can have a conversation with these countries in the hope there can be change. And I realise this can run similtaniously? With behaviour in our own country. We are at a time when choice feels no longer open for debate. In this case I do not believe there is any force and I have heard nothing from victims of this help offered.

Nope can"t see anything from licenced professionaks in the trans narrative link. I wouls assume the charity also have licenced progessionals.

Nope I can't see anything on link, where there it mentions anything regarding people looking for help regarding problems they have with same sex attractions. Boris Johnson says he will look into any treatmeant that falls into gay conversion therapy. This charity deny that is what they are. Isn't this link about trans people. Siduhe, its a bit strange you post on a thread you wished had died. We are very quickly moving into a world where those asking for acceptance,understanding and a voice are set on removing other peoples rights for the same things.

https://www.core-issues.org/blog/dr-mike-davidson/it-will-be-the-pastors-next-mike-davidson-on-why-gay-conversion-therapy Heres a link about this charity, I can undestand people signing this petition, I do not believe this therapy to be linked to gay conversion therapy. Seembeen I cannot see the link between section 28. People choose to go to therapies for many things they struggle with, hthere behaviour, thinking etc. Many feel it is the wrong treatment and try some other kind. People have a choice. Often questions are asked before a talking therapy session beginss. These questions are based on behaviour. A number is asked to describe how person is feeling. This maybe to see difference on individual by end of sessions but it is also based on the norm, it is the same standard questions. Of course there are many people who this will help and many people who do not feel this has helped. In this climate where people need help regardless of the cause, we must remember this is not a forced treatment, and it is certainly not up to banks to decide what is appropriate.

https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/politics/christian-charity-which-focuses-unwanted-gay-desires-gets-backing-66000-plus-signatories-2973884 I find this very worrying, Barclay bank closed down this charity for talking therapy, which is being described as aversion therapy,provided for people who are not comfortable with there attraction to same sex. Banks do not have to give a reason to close accounts, when a decision has been made with a legal charity to close there account on grounds of behaving in a way they do not agree with, if that is the case, It opens up a whole lot of questions around these powers to close accounts.

Its 14 people really, you must think about the risk for those poor children, 3 pregnant people max, and anyone carrying twins should shield, and banned from passing pubs, safety is essential.

Evidence based guidance for health and social care, they know best, keeping us safe, can't argue with that. Imagine that big relief lifted from us, we won't even have to think for ourselves soon.

More good news. I've herd you can't catch it if you don't have a TV.

Blah blah How can you even take that meaning from what I am saying, respect for life is not measured in numbers. Ok lets put it another way would it be acceptable to you 59million die through the break downbof society, people starve, millions unemployed ets. We are in a situation where we do not know what the outcomes will be. The positive tests have not seen the rise in deaths you would expect with the equation you are using. Do you deny there is a problem with the accuracy of tests. Are you aware fear has been used against people for the most horrendous outcomes. What governments aren't messing around, the ones that have different rules for themselves. You must be living in a state of cognitive dissonance.

Blah blah its quite simple why ai havent answered, i know my answer will encourage a vicious cirle we have already been around. I do not believe there is evidence to prove these figures. Of course any deaths is to many deaths. The figure of 1 million dying from/ with covid includes many deaths caused by poor lack of care for the vulnerable especially around care homes. We we saw the same mistakes repeated. Yes lets compare figure in december of all deaths relating to covid including how many died because od policies. Of course the suicide will have to wait for comparison until the end of 2021.How many people dying in relation to policies would you feel is to much 100,000?

It may be blowing everything out of the water for you, I dont believe it is for most people. Yes its changed everyones life, We are apart and a part. Although most people are involved with there own lives whilst at the same time having to rely on many systems for connection to outside realities, news etc. Many of these systems are corrupt and unfit for the purpose they say they stand for. I believe what we are seeing is people, I include myself, who have a great distrust for many of these system, others who have not had time whilst working, paying bills living in a constant state of having to manage there own life etc at the same time choosing there own forms of relaxing and freedom. I have faith in people and the longer these contradictions go on the more people are questioning these experts. The confusion caused by these policies have absolutely thrown peoples lives into nightmares we couldn't imagine. But I suppose its easier for some to think of a worse nightmare than ackniwledge the one we are in. I really am going out now, come back sun.

And as I said blah blah, the figures arent in yet of the damage done outside of covid.

Have a good day, I'm off out to enjoy this glorious day and who knows encounter that human trait of socialising. Theres a question, how many people socialising together is acceptable? Common sense may have to be redefined.

Yes blah blah you made it very clear regarding numbers but managed to omit the information above which was the point I made regarding Louis Appleby not giving real time figures and length of time before we know. I am surprised, as someone who works reading papers you would fail to agree with my point and now claim I am not reading your post, when you have added to your reading of INS figures an assumption why the figures are lower. Yoy would rather look at figures assumed and are becoming rather pedantic. Keep on asking, Im sure the horror and fear of 40,000 million people dying puts some distance for you between the horror of people dying now. It also seems to be measured in a way that attempts to lessen peoples fears, pain, losses and poverty which is goin to create more death. No there is no % I'm going to quote, respect for life is not found in a chart. People dying of starvation is not acceptable, whether it be one person or 6,000,000. I have no wish to start quoting figures being made around the devastation that is very likely to come because of policies, why, beacause I believe we should be looking at the people being affected now. Recognising the damage being done, the divide being created, and the control and attempt to put our lives in the hand of experts. The same experts that have put our vulnerable at risk. Whilst continueing to blame us and continueing to scare the life out of people.

Blah Blah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > You asked about suicide data TE44. You can find > tables here (link below) but the first quarter of > 2020 was in line with previous years. The second > quarter (which is the spring/ early summer) shows > a significant decrease on previous years. Figures > for the third quarter are not available yet. > Suicide is a complex issue and understanding a > decrease is as valid as understanding any > increase. It is quite possible that the decrease > is the result of people being able to spend more > time at home, without the stress of work life and > other things. To assume the trend would only go > the other way is a bit premature. > > https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunit > y/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/deathsc > ausedbysuicidebyquarterinengland From the link blah blah put up Figures are for deaths registered rather than deaths occuring ineach cslendar year. Due to the length of time it takes to complete a coroners inquesr, it can take moths or even years for a suicide to be registered. The lower number of registered deaths in the second quarter of 2020 reflects delays to inquests cause by the coronavirus (covid19). Figures for deaths are provisional and will be finalised in late 2021 in the annual"Suicides in the Uk" Considering you read studies blah blah, your response to my post shows how you were more concerned in debunking me you missed out the point I was making, which was right there for you to see but you chose to see a reality of people having less stress through having time off work and other things. You seem to be able to be more positive the deaths will be lower regarding suicides regardless of an explanation why this may be. Your understanding of what you read seems to be limited by beliefs not what you are actually reading. I understand now why you would be unable to read anything from scientists disagreeing with the 40million deaths that haven't happened. Sorry I believe you call the cranks. Can you give me the facts on the 80% of unvaccinated flu deaths You can see what I have quoted from blah blahs link by downloading figuree for 2020, opening then press table 1 and open. Just incase its not easy for anyone to find it

Are you reading the Neil Fergusons papers afrom Imperial College Blah Blah. Are you prepared to put peoples mental health at risk, peoples livelyhood, make peoples last days on this planet hell. 650,000 deaths a year worldwide From flu, increase yearly despite vaccines. "Those expert studies are the reason people get care you need", open your eyes, have you got any older family in care homes. Your so concerned about debunking people who have different experiences, views, you cant see past your own importance, oops sorry i mean the experts you follow. What a perfect world we would have with all these experts that are never wrong, that is if its the experts you are reading.

J.a. you'll find I can question, its not against the law yet. Where would the vaccine damage payment be, who would acknowledge many mistakes and millions of pounds worth of fines from your pharmaceuticals if it wasn't people questioning from a different view. Enjoy the rest of the day with your family.

Sephiroth, committed also known as sectioned. I expect j.a. does not speak how she is speaking to me, face to face. Sorry I know I am not clear at times.

J.a. Seriously I think you need help. Be careful if you behave and ttalk like you are on here you may have to try to avoid being committed, but I expect not.

What is the good reason now Blah blah for not being allowed to sit with dying family an assumption we'll save millions of lives.can you answer me where 40 million come from or are you just making up a figure under the global yearly death toll. What facts can you give me about where that figure come from. Or maybe its from another Imperial College expert. You don't seem so keen to acknowledge experts studies on effects of these policies. There are many people questioning the contradictory facts and rightly so or else we would all end of terrified of coming out our house. Imagine people having an opinion that doesn't fit in with the experts, the experts that are at odds with one another. A media we can't trust, a world health organisation that has been banned from countries in the world. Who are you being helpful to, outside of the EDF.

Blah blahAs II saaid the figures for suicide can take up to a year to be added to official stats. Only time will tell. Im not going to put links up, as although there are great concerns worldwide only time will tell. I believe 6million people die of starvation every year, what a shame the governments couldnt put rules in place regarding there governing and greed. 10million half price meals, great way to bring people together at this timm. Oh yeah, helping people. We can sit in a restuarent with how many people, but you can't be with your dying family. What about these deaths, or would you rather sit in a restuarant full of people worrying about the 40 million that might die???