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It would be very unlikely, natural immunity will be given a chance,its more likely, especially with work already done with this virus that a vaccine will be developed, where the % for herd immunity is much higher for intake. Happy days. Would be interestin to know which subtype of influenza A virus was used in this years vaccine.

Johnl, 60%, of whom? The worst flu with that very bad cough, was the worst flu I have ever seen, there wasn't many people who escaped it including young. Most people I know, tested positive for infuenza A, i don not know which sub type, but it would be interesting if we were given information on the type that is prevalent, in more laymans terms.

I will look out, thanks.

Monica, I love this garden, it would be amazing to see the plants being used and bringing the community together, fantastic idea. I am extremely grateful for this garden, thank you.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/politics-corruption-who/5702045 It feels nonsensical to me to ignore issues around the WHO. As this article says of course there needs to be collaboration between other organisations, its when it becomes a conflict of interest that the purpose of the organisatio no longer holds true.

Blah Blah, I don't see it as falling for their nonsense, its not all or nothing, disagreeing does not mean disregarding everything. The things I find interesting I will check through different media. Are you saying the article is all nonsense?

I think its a case of checking fact or information given as facts, once over the first paragraph there is factual history. I was not going to put this link above as as conspiracy is such a "crazy" idea, its a long article but I found it to be interesting.

Yes pk it almost put me off as well, but as I said snippets, I don't suppose you got past the headline.

https://civilianintelligencenetwork.ca/2020/01/27/bill-gates-the-coronavirus-conspiracy/ I find this link has useful informstion and vids, it appears to be independant, I have checked some facts but not all. It gives background into the work being done with coronavirus.

Blah Blah I am aware there is planning around viruses an different scenarios. I d nt trust the Who nor the CDC, The institutional organisatios involved with our health need to be more transparent and more answerable for there action. The one thing I feel we can be absolutely sure of, from these organisations and others connected with them is we will not be told the truth, maybe little snippets thrown in.

Find this very strange "Event201" an event simulating and looking at what may be if a novel coronavirus were to take hold, this was held a couple of months before the first case. http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/about

SeenBeen, there was a film made called TrustWHO, although I have not seen this film I believe it uncovers a corruption within this organisation. This link goes into more detail. https://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/specialseries/2018/12/trustwho-business-global-health-181205092342434.html

Blah Blah Thanks so much, looks very interesting, have only glimpsed, but looks like a lot of research and observation around novel mers Middle East Respiratory Symptoms coronavirus, first recognised in uk in 2012. Thanks BB, my phone doesn't open certain files.

Blah Blah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > That is the right approach imo. How many people > die, will depend on how widely the virus takes > hold. Seasonal flu kills around half the > percentage that this new virus seems to kill, but > the reason why the seasonal flu figure is so low > in real terms is because of an organised seasonal > vaccination programe for the most vulnerable > groups. Once there is a vaccine in place for > COVID19, that too would become akin to seasonal > flu. Until then however, the more the virus can be > contained, the more likely the number of deaths > will stay low in real terms, and the more likely > we are to get to a vaccine before that changes. Blah Blah,Do you know the effectiveness of 2018-2019 flu vaccine, I cannot find them on PHE (public health England), I've read the 2017-18 which stated the overall flu vaccine effectiveness was 15%. I genuinelly would be interested. I would also be interested to know how far they came to the target of 600000 more children to recieve the live vaccine. I am aware they are still asking parents to vaccinate there children now as they are behind target but I can't find figures. Sorry can't put up link at moment.

UncleGlen when you say white working class are easily exploited by BAME groups are you speaking of particular cases, grooming, drug dealing and other atrocities? These are problem within our society, how can you seperate by colour. Is there a difference for you if these "atrocities" were committed by white people, wouldn't they be exploiting people in the same way.

Blah Blah I suppose it depends on how and what is important and needed in your life. Lets say you've got to walk three miles for water each day, the need for survival would be different, but I would imagine there may still be bickering if you felt someone else should take a turn for whatever reason. Things change no matter where you are, whether its from nature or ageing. If there is bickering it often comes about through unfairness. There would be more urgency to find a solution, there would not be time to ponder over who's to blame.

Not sure Johnl what its called, a way of not getting caught in a conversation where it goes round and round, where it becomes stagnant. Its not about not recognising, empathising or helping victims, I just don't think it is fair or helpful to try and use blame on a whole race.

JohnL, Adaption is also part of our evolution,not only with one another but with nature. We have become disconnected from nature, it feels very difficult to hold views without being seen as being on one side or the other. This duality does not feel real, it often simplifies a complex reletionship between individuals and groups. Being part of both and understanding difference, within and outside of your group, your point etc needs to be able to move.

KalamityKel Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > why does everything/everyone have to have a label? Categorisation encourages group mentality for some, a sense of belonging that can easily turn to division. Its a very rigid means of identifying, in this threads context I believe it has encouraged victim and abuser. It feels like a pattern that has become more common, encouraging divide.

I worked in a big factory, where the queues at dinner time meant you didn't have time to eat. The department I worked in was furthest from the canteen. Many woman ate there prepacked dinners in the toilets, they used the sanitary bins as tables. Whilst a woman set up her ear piercing side line business in same toilet.

https://www.together-uk.org/southwark-wellbeing-hub/the-directory/9021/groundwork-london/ Groundwork also run a wellbeing hub in peckham.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/NRS-Healthcare-L98229-Adjustable-Eligible/dp/B003LPUWEK?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q&tag=duc08-21&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B003LPUWEK My father used to use a back rest like this except wooden, they used to be given from NHS. there are different settings and they fold flat. Edited to say, unlike pics on like, my father would put pillow on it to make it more comfortable.

There a global spreading each year of flu, that is what determines the ingredients for the yearly vaccine. Flu is constantly mutating. I agree with poster above, information given is not clear, maybe thats because the institutional systems/groups monitoring the flu are constantly struggling to understand the figures themselves.

Thanks JohnL, I expect there's a notice on gate. I don't think it's easy for parents, i've found myself instinctively getting a bad feeling that cannot be put down to behaviour, then there is no legal justification on taking any action other than keep a watchful eye and have a word with your children.

JohnL Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It's there - under the "first set" pdf file > section 4 of > https://www.southwark.gov.uk/noise-and-antisocial- > behaviour/antisocial-behaviour-byelaws > > I was unaware also but would be unlikely to be > caught out (as I was at school when I last entered > a childrens play area). JohnL, I cant see anywhere on the link you provided above that states adults cannot enter enclosed children play areas unless accompanied by a chid, have I missed it.