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Who knows, there are no speed cameras unfortunately.

Well said Sanda. Many drivers are 'missing' the 20mph signs too, is anyone suggesting they aren't visible enough?

How does someone get in touch with the ?Fair Air for East Dulwich? group if they have questions? Such as, who will be supplying the diffusion tubes? I?ve tried to get some through Friends of the Earth but believe their scheme has unfortunately ended.

Not sure why the roadworks haven't been carried out overnight, given it's such a major route.

Which is why a School Street is some form would be good, to encourage parents not to drive (or at least not to drive as close to the school as possible, and park badly)

This is an interesting analysis and investigation of commonplace data. Thousands of fake accounts submitting responses, operated by a single overseas server. The lengths some people go to to oppose active travel measures is astonishing! https://www.forbes.com/sites/carltonreid/2021/02/18/consultation-rigging-trolls-get-councils-goat-over-bridge-closures/?__twitter_impression=true&sh=6d28e5802b93 The publicly available data used by One Dulwich/Dulwich Alliance presumably doesn?t show individual accounts, so how do they know if one person submitted multiple responses? This seems to be a major flaw in their report.

eastdulwichhenry Wrote: > > Who cares how many emails they've received? > Decisions are not made based on the number of > angry people that write in. There's going to be a > proper study done towards the end of the year, and > we'll see what happens then. My sense is that more > people are in favour of the LTN than against it, > particularly now that the early teething problems > have largely gone away, but who knows. Well said. It shouldn't be a case of the loudest voice etc, although this forum is that all over. It's no wonder many choose not to engage here.

Rockets there is no confusion between cycling lanes and LTNs in the ambulance service's responses despite you suggesting an attempt to mislead in the article. Further details below. https://www.cyclinguk.org/sites/default/files/document/2021/02/2101_ambulance-trusts-summary_of_responses_to_cycling_uks_fois.pdf

I see Dulwich Alliance are no longer listing the Dulwich Picture Gallery as one of their supporters. Were they not aware they'd be included I wonder?

Great! That road has needed a School Street for a long time.

Interesting how you blame the council, when there was always traffic there https://twitter.com/cleanairdulwich/status/1305975196436885504?s=21 Foggy-minded indeed! n dulwich northerner Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks to Southwark's foggy-minded road closure > schemes, this morning the tailback in Dulwich > Village extended from the northern set of lights > to those in the centre.

FairTgirl Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > legalalien Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > (at the risk of being slightly off topic - I > think > > 2(a) should refer to ED Grove not ED Road. > They > > might need a new sign... > > > > Question: is there a reason why they couldn't > > move the barrier at the GV end a bit further > > towards EDG, so that there is parking outside > the > > shops that can be accessed from GV but no > through > > route? Because that would seem like an obvious > > compromise. (Doesn't fix the problem of > traffic > > on EDG but not sure how much of that is caused > by > > these closures as opposed to the Dulwich > Village > > ones? > > That question has been asked numerous times. Nine > weeks and still no answers as to why not. Is this something you / the businesses would support?

Shame it?s not the whole length of Lordship to help prioritise public transport.

FairTgirl Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- northernmonkey Wrote: > Geuninely, any advice on using public transport to > get several kids from Bellenden area to Dulwich > Sports Ground - as that also hosts many clubs. Not sure re public transport but it?s a comfortable bike ride since the filters have gone in on Dulwich Square and Melbourne Grove. I cycled from your direction every day for Summer clubs with two 6 years old and a 4 year old. Route as per northern monkey above works well - Calton, through Dulwich Square then Turney. 10 mins.

ianr Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Given that the experiment has been implemented, is > there any virtue in allowing some time to see how > it works out before reaching any definite > conclusions or making any demands? This.

This article is a good read - https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/20/the-new-road-rage-bitter-rows-break-out-over-uks-low-traffic-neighbourhoods?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&__twitter_impression=true

Heard this happened recently on Ondine Rd

Which one is it Rockets, a few parked private cars or public transport for the masses?

FairTgirl Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Speaking only for self here - there are many > businesses on the road - who may have own > specific opinions - but I would be very amenable > to the school closing the road for short periods > as it needed for pupil safety at school > arrival/departure as an alternative to the current > planters. Interesting that you say there?s a range of views, as that?s what I?ve found speaking to the businesses along Melbourne Grove. Some are clearly worried by the change, some confidently say less traffic will be better for their business, some are indifferent and don?t see it will impact either way. Important to note that both schools are very supportive of the current schemes.

Meanwhile emergency services were consulted before the schemes were approved. This is nothing but opportunistic. Similar to FairTgirl on twitter blaming the increased traffic on Thursday on the planters. When in fact there had been a serious road traffic accident and all buses were on diversion.

Serena2012 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I just took a short stroll to observe the road > blocks. It seems the middle planter has had to > come out on all 4 roads, only to be replaced by > removable plastic barriers. > > I can only imagine that this is because some > bright spark suddenly realised that blocking off > all access between Grove Vale and EDG other than > the Goose Green roundabout, thereby significantly > increasing emergency vehicle response time to all > roads branching off EDG might be slightly idiotic. > > > It just goes to show how ill thought through these > closures have been. Even as things stands, faffing > around with plastic barriers will invariably lose > valuable, potentially life saving minutes. These > closures are hugely disproportionate in > circumstances where school streets would be a far > better compromise. Put simply, they need to go. I asked the council about them being moved today and it's to do with access for waste vehicles. Emergency services weren't mentioned.

These changes are fantastic news! Bizarre that people can be against them, but this is the East Dulwich Forum!

thebestnameshavegone Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > We need to have fewer car trips in London. It?s > really simple. You?re either pro low traffic > stuff. Or you?re pro more car congestion. Well said. I heard a stat the other day that 1 in 7 car journeys in London is under 1km - this isn't sustainable. Making the car the least convenient option and at the same time creating safer spaces for people to walk and cycle is essential.

dulwichfolk Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Might be issues with refuse trucks with any > closures in the middle of the road. Might be an issue with the middle of the road being a school entrance...reversing vehicles and children don't mix too well. It's a shame an 'eco' shop is objecting to this so soon. It's less than a week since the planters were installed, Week 1 is too soon to make a rational assessment on the actual impact - the 'it will kill our business' talk is fear, fear of change (totally understandable given the tough trading climate). Give it time. Anyone driving to these shops still can.

Why ?harmful?? Customers needing to drive will still be able to. People walking and cycling spend more time and money in local shops so making a road safer for both those categories could be beneficial.