I've been following the recent debate with interest and I'd like to pitch in. I am one of 3 owners of esph and have posted before on this forum. First up, I'd like to dispel a few myths. We are a family owned business and have been in the area (Grove Lane, Camberwell) for 30 years. We're not exactly new kids on the block, nor are we the starbucks of the physio world. As a small business owner i understand completely the pressure of competition. We started out as a one-physio practice just as madworld74's physio is and I have a great deal of sympathy for him. However, what we are trying to achieve with this new centre is something that doesn't currently exist in the market. The centre will consist of therapy rooms offering physiotherapy, massage therapy, dietetics, sports medicine, acupuncture, podiatry etc. The exercise facilities will inculde a pilates studio, exercise studio and a large gym which brings me to a second myth I'd like to address. Graduate physio unemployment currently stands at 75%. It costs the tax payer about ?50,000 to train a physio and the vast majority of them are currently unable to ply the trade for which they have been trained. We are fortunate in that we are in a position to do something about this. The 10 new-grad physios that are joining our training programme will be working in the gym, supervising our members. They will be able to take advantage of a job that they wouldn't otherwise have and our members will be able to take advantage of a unique level of supervision and expertise that is not offered in most gyms. Many of these graduates also have first degrees in exercise physiology and sports science which sets them apart. We believe that this will make the new centre a dynamic and exciting proposition with a clear point of difference. I hope that answers some of your concerns but if you want to ask me any questions directly please feel free.