Hemingway

It was a firework display within legal hours in capital city FFS

I heard them, they were noisy, they lasted all of 10 minutes or so. Seriously what is wrong with people go and live in the middle of the country if you can't stand a few fireworks at 10.30pm on a Saturday.

Bizzarre post Malumbu, you appeared to have missed my point - I wasn't saying Millwall had been gentrified I was saying there were plenty of Millwall fans at DHFC back in the day (hence the Bushwackers graffiti). I've been to the Old Den a handful of times (with West Ham) I really don't need a lecture on old school football

Before the gentrification, Dulwich Hamlet had a lot of Millwall fans supporting them too. Even until relatively recently there was 'Bushwackers' graffiti in the gents under the stand.

with the honorable exception of BB even the trolling is sh1t on this forum nowadays.

The only argument I have any slight empathy with is the sovereignty one; 'I believe in a nation state with an accountable government'- it's simplistic (individual sovereignty is not really a reality in 2019 and pooled sovereignty isn't that bad), ignores all the economic pain and assumes that the journey of the EU is inevitably towards increased federalism...but it does have some validity. The rest pie is pie in the sky idiocy, at best.

buy 'the Fort'

Politicians are all wankers putting political advantage over principles since year dot. The less power and control they have the better. - a referendum was put in the Tory manifesto for political expediency, but the promise probably did win the election for the Tories - because useless Ed, whose reforms let the 3 quid trots back in remember, didn't win, even many sane Labour members went into some collective nervous breakdown and elected a useless , Marxist, anti-EU duffer into power at a critical time. (own it ,they've wrecked Labour as broad church left party, probably for ever) - Cameron, convinced that Grant on the basis of Australian politics and his unexpected election victory (and lulled into a sense of security the Scottish referendum) was a genius, ran a project fear referendum campaign that was terrible; Corbyn held a few token rallies for remain but was largely absent from the 'MMS' and remain campaign - Brexiters faired better with simple slogans, dog whistles and smarter analytics (see also Obama); they were also aided by events (Syria's implosion and Merkel's open invite and subsequent refugee crisis that peaked that year. - having lost the referendum Cameron fucked off to his shed - useless May believed the polls and her snap election disaster ruined any chance of a decent deal, backbenchers behaving or tougher negotiations; probably beyond her capability anyway. - her deal, which was about as good as we could have got by then, was rejected on several occasions by the HoC - All weekend it was a Coup and yet today no-one wants an election. Useless waste of our time, resource and our country's reputation and standing; a plague on most of them (and us voters)

Loutwo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Peckhampam Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Loutwo > > Of course new comers want the businesses that > > cater to their needs. Every new demographic > that > > has ever moved in to an area has wanted that. > Why > > should ED/Peckham be any different? And no > > business can cater for the whole community...it > is > > too varied.....that's why it is good to have so > > many different kinds of business. So I am at a > > loss to know what it is you are wanting. my > guess > > would be you are harking back to a past some > 50/60 > > years ago when London was culurally uniform and > > divided into class ghettos , a past that I am > very > > glad we have left behind. > > At least back then working people could buy in > London. Nowadays people who grew up around here > have to move away because house prices are > ridiculous. The class divide is bigger today than > it has ever been. The London of 30 years ago was > far more diverse and affordable than the > capitalist hell hole that?s been created today. > > Louisa. Lots of working class Londoners couldn't wait to 'get out' 30 or even 20 years ago. "What do you want to buy a house in this shithole for?" was my working class neighbour's first words to me in the early 90s SE22

diable rouge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > dbboy Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > As I said previously May & Co faffed for three > > years, Bojo is now enacting the outcome of the > > referendum. If the govt failed to do this it > would > > not be doing the job it was elected to do > > > May agreed a deal to leave, thus enacting the > outcome of the referendum, it was voted for 3 > times by 'traitors' like Grieve and Hammond, even > Johnson and Rees Mogg flipped on the third > attempt. It failed primarily because of hardcore > Brexiters voting against it, knowing it could lead > to no deal. Er,.... and the Labour Party, PC, SNP and the LDs

Is Emma Thompson flying in from LA to support?

. > > An election is coming - and someone is going to > have revoke/ref2 in the manifesto. I think that is > what will end this politically. All it takes is > senior people to step up and stop pretending there > is some benign brexit the one senior person who could perhaps swing this is unfortunately an adolescent minded, pro-Brexit, Marxist unbelievably in charge of the Labour Party. No-one in the Tories especially wants to or can do this, Hammond's trying and, sadly, the Greens and LDs son't have the numbers when you look at polls or even the Euro elections. In this situation, May's deal was our best hope for the least damaging exit giving us some time to contemplate our collective stupidity. Where we are now, on the brink of no deal, was the most likely outcome of rejecting her deal and yet many now lamenting the horrors no deal made that decision on political grounds, and often to save their own skins, rather than caring about their constituents.

'one reason only' - we had a WA on the table. MPs across the board rejected it, hence we face no deal.

Sorry, for clarity we both agree on being in not exiting!

Ok Sephiroth, Map me out how we get back in without now exiting (an outcome that you and I both agree is by far the best), I just can't see it politically.

pk Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Hemingway Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Just a wry smile at those moaning > > about the calamitous effects of a 'no deal' > when > > their rejection of May's deal is why we are > where > > we are. > > no it's not If the WA had been voted through we wouldn't now being facing no deal.

Sephiroth Wrote: > Checking with the country to see if they have > changed their mind is the only grown up thing to > do - staying in is by some distance the best deal > and I think enough people know that now It may be - but the Tories are never going to do this and with Corbyn up top nor are Labour. The rest haven't got the numbers. I also think you're very optimistic on the 'enough people' looking at the polls and voting intentions. I think we're pretty much where we were.

"it makes me laugh", in a you've got to laugh or cry sense rather than rolling on the floor in hysterics. Just a wry smile at those moaning about the calamitous effects of a 'no deal' when their rejection of May's deal is why we are where we are.

Makes me laugh all this wailing now a all those MPs, Labour, LDs, Green (1) who voted against May's WA are complicit if we get No Deal. We should have taken the deal then, is about good as we'll get.

Street, dominated by independent retail, with small retail spaces in affluent area with relatively low footfall characterised by many comings and goings of shops/restaurants shocker. Been this way for ages.

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Ok. if we're looking for weak links. Equally as well - strong use of identity politics - constant reference to the 'elites' and breaking the 'system' (Draining the swamp in trump speak) - constant attacks on, reluctance to engage with, and complaining about bias of 'MSM' - populism could be Jeremy Corbyn :)

Most of those could be applied to many politicians. Who said I was OK with any of them? I didn't. I don't support Johnson. It's just to say Johnson is the British Trump is left wing knicker wetting of the highest degree.....huge swathes of left wing twitter now think we now have a fascist government... it's adolescent, fantasy stuff.

Left wing social media taking up everything Trump says as truth now then?