Loutwo

Cash or card you wouldn?t catch me wasting my money in these establishments. Rather buy a loaf and a packet of ham and cheese and make enough sarnies to last a week. More money than sense some people. (I am a Pret fan btw, and it?s nice to see them in ED). Louisa.

So sorry to hear this Mark. You and I have had our polite disagreements over the year, resulting in my exclusion from some forum activity. Despite this, I will be very sad to see it go. It?s been a unrivalled resource for nostalgia, local information and hot debate over these last 16 years. I genuinely hope someone can come along and invest the time and money into keeping it going. Louisa.

Any invasion could spark a mass exodus of civilian populations towards the EU borders. It would cause a migrant crisis of millions. It?s a frightening situation for everyone. Louisa.

Foxy, sorry to hear about your awful start to the new year. What I can recommend, for getting the bowels moving is Prune Juice, mother swore by it. It?s available in most health shops or if you have a carer coming in, get them to buy some locally for you. It does sound like you may have slow intestinal transit, or ?lazy? bowel. Something like Buscopan will get the contractions going again. I find a good fry up helps too. Louisa.

I see all the usual suspects are still chatting shite in my absence. As you were, class. Louisa.

The yuppies will believe anywhere is a village if the local EA gives them the BS lowdown. Since the posh wannabes ?rediscovered? the ED/Peckham borders, it?s suddenly been referred to as ?bell-end village?. Organic Croissant munchers will turn anywhere into a village. It makes them feel cosy and community spirited. Louisa.

alex_b Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Loutwo Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > It?s simple. Labour is appeasing two camps. > Metro > > socialists and traditional working classes. > Metro > > socialists are over represented at > parliamentary > > level, and a perception (rightly or wrongly) > has > > festered in the mind?s of some of those > > traditional old industrial communities, that > > Labour doesn?t represent their opinions anymore. > > > This interestingly exposes the definitional flaw > at the heart of the discussion here. "Traditional > working classes" as used here seems to include a > large groups of people who do not work (retired > homeowners on defined benefit pensions in the > towns of the North and Midlands) while excluding > large groups who do work (younger people in larger > cities - including London - often in unstable > employment). It just so happens that the > 'traditional working class' are white while those > working in cities who don't count as working class > tend to be more diverse. > > So when the media talks about Labour losing touch > with 'working people' what they mean is losing > touch with older socially conservative white > people who once worked. There is little evidence > that I have seen that Labour is losing support > amongst younger working voters (in fact I believe > their share of vote amongst under 40s is > increasing). > > Of course electorally this is a huge problem for > Labour and will get worse as red-wall type seats > continue to age and depopulate. I don't know what > Labour do about this, it seems tough to think they > can out socially conservative the Tories as Louisa > seems to suggest. OK let?s take Hartlepool as a case study then. Economically deprived, the town has a average age of 40 (across the board), and statistically has a larger percentage than the national average of people living in council/housing association properties. The older or retired population accounts for a below English average according to the statistics I?ve been reading online. If Hartlepool is representative of those ?red wall? seats, then the retired socially conservative home owning working class people you refer to, account for a significantly smaller percentage of the local population than should be the case across a English parliamentary seat average. Does this therefore mean that some of the people who are not older, nor are homeowners, might be holding their nose and voting Tory? Maybe some are even voting Green? London still has a healthy chunk of ?traditional working class? Labour voters, who are probably more diverse than in a place like Hartlepool. But London also has another demographic, which a town like Hartlepool likely has less of. Wealthy socialist homeowners, who mostly fall into some sort of ?metropolitan elite?. Let?s also not forget, the pied piper of uni students, Corbyn, was extremely popular with students from all backgrounds. Since Starmer took over, some of that vote has evaporated too. Louisa.

Droid Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Loutwo Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > How do you fix that? Boris comes across as your > > best mate (even if he?s blindsiding you in > every > > sense). All he is doing, is successfully riding > > off the back of a perception solely created by > the > > Labour Party. Go back to basics, have policy > ideas > > which reflect the concerns of these > communities, > > put those policies across from charismatic > > personalities who look and sound like the > people > > they want to represent. Move away from > > London-centric representation. It isn?t > reflecting > > everyone else?s opinions in the country. > > > > Louisa. > > You might have added that Boris throws mountains > of money at any issue that he thinks will help him > eg HS2 ?106Bn), Covid (????Bn), Regional > infrastructure (?80Bn), etc etc, Garden Bridge and > we may even get a Tunnel to Ireland! And this is different to New Labour under Blair how? Populist politicians always do this. It wins votes. Louisa.

I keep forgetting I?m preaching to mostly metro socialists.hope you enjoy the wilderness for the next 10 years. Louisa.

People are reading into this too much. The left often over-dissects a poor election result, and then makes all sorts of wild assumptions. It?s simple. Labour is appeasing two camps. Metro socialists and traditional working classes. Metro socialists are over represented at parliamentary level, and a perception (rightly or wrongly) has festered in the mind?s of some of those traditional old industrial communities, that Labour doesn?t represent their opinions anymore. How do you fix that? Boris comes across as your best mate (even if he?s blindsiding you in every sense). All he is doing, is successfully riding off the back of a perception solely created by the Labour Party. Go back to basics, have policy ideas which reflect the concerns of these communities, put those policies across from charismatic personalities who look and sound like the people they want to represent. Move away from London-centric representation. It isn?t reflecting everyone else?s opinions in the country. Louisa.

Labour has ignored the white working class for decades, and that is now coming home to roost in the north of the country. Simple as that really. If you want to keep appeasing a bunch of wealthy London Islington elitists, on your head be it. Louisa.

I was hoping to dig out some chocolate egg bargains today (I do it every year without fail), and it appears some greedy people wanted to steal all the eggs for themselves. This has never happened before, there is always a surplus just after Easter Sunday, but for the first time probably ever, nowhere has any. Happy Easter you greedy bunch of chocolate eating pigs, hope it bloody makes you feel sick. I?m having a chilled beer following by a nice cold sauv, maybe I should empty the shelves of alcohol next year. Louisa.

A outdated institution which should have been confined to the history books over a century ago. Nevertheless, it?s still around, and if you are naive enough to believe Meghan Markle?s odd assumption that she wasn?t aware of what the institution of monarchy and being a working member of it was all about, before she married into it, you are extremely naive. Also, why is everyone so shocked about racism and sexism? It?s been happening publicly for decades. They don?t exactly try to hide it. Louisa.

The term yuppies is outdated in it?s literal sense, as quoted. But let?s all be honest for a moment here, we all know what the term roughly summarises. You only need to pop to PR park cafe and you?ll get a good case study of what a ED 21st century ?yuppy? is. Sometimes, you just know. Louisa.

The modern ?yuppy? everyone from trendy young upstart hipster living in Peckham, to Home Counties style middle classes with kids in private schools living around ED. They can be any age group, but tend to be younger than 50, and almost always from outside London. I saw a Twitter post of a panettone scattered for the birds in a local park recently, this sums up the modern ?yuppy? (tongue in cheek). There?s almost always a organic food shop involved or Waitrose somewhere along the line. Louisa.

I?ve had a cataract removed and I can tell you now, it?s a walk in the park. I felt immediate relief straight after. Louisa.

I don?t know why I bother coming back here. Every time I come back, the same old narcissism continues unabated. I was accused for years of being a troll, but the same old faces are still here goading away! Louisa.

I?m with you on buttery mash and onion gravy. I miss Kennedy?s Sausages of Peckham fame. Louisa.

Spartacus Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > What's wrong with the co-op staying and refitting > ? > > I'm confused how a home bargains or similar will > be a suitable replacement for an ongoing concern ? The co-op has had more refits than a shop window manikin. Nothing changes. The service remains shoddy, the staff remain disinterested, the stock remains out of date, and the prices remain stupidly high. I think it?s about time a alternative was given a chance. Perhaps even a Lidl or Aldi if home bargains doesn?t float your boat? Louisa.

Spartacus Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Loutwo Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > I think someone needs to start a campaign for > > turning this into a Home Bargains or B&M. It > seems > > the only viable option now. > > > > Louisa. > > Really ? > > Viable for whom ? Viable for such a large retail space. Viable for the whole community. Viable as a footfall attraction. A option for the whole community as opposed to the Waitrose brigade. Something that offers bargains. You can?t get bargain buys around ED anymore. Louisa.

Foxy, that seems to be the case across the Co-op estate. But for some reason the LL store seems to be worse than most. I can recall out of date products being left on the shelves for weeks at a time. They should be ashamed of themselves. All these excuses for staff not getting enough sleep, they being paid to do a job! It?s not a charity! Louisa.

I recommend Heck?s Newmarket pork sausage, 97% pork. Personally I prefer a thick sausage, but I am well aware of Chipolata lovers, and I wouldn?t say no if the correct one came along. Louisa.

I think someone needs to start a campaign for turning this into a Home Bargains or B&M. It seems the only viable option now. Louisa.

Jules-and-Boo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I think it's a hate campaign so we can get a new > Iceland instead The co-op is more overpriced than Waitrose and M&S combined! About time East Dulwich got some bargain shops returning to the neighbourhood. I think a Poundland or B&M type shop would work well in that space. Especially in these difficult times. I envy people with a Iceland Warehouse nearby. The bulk buy options are immense. Louisa.

You wait until the queues at customs in the airports begin - post COVID. The ?Saturday night takeaway? brigade will soon be moaning on social media about how shit life is. As for the economy, I think the slow puncture has already started. Louisa.