Sherwick

have police even been called???

Went to Il Mirto twice this weekend! :)) Delicios both times, but even better the second time because I tried their home-made tiramisu!

England! We're the greatest!!! (Probably lose to the Windies now...)

Ah good, some D Adams fans here. Don't know if any of you have read this rather excellent true short story by D Adams when he 'met' a manta ray? http://www.douglasadams.com/dna/980707-08-a.html Enjoy! :)

Let us not forget that pure white english people also demand more exotic produce these days... isn't curry the national dish of england now?

josiebee Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I haven't followed many of the messages here but I > really like what you say. I think if we do want to > mix with people of different cultural backgrounds > a really good starting point is acknowledging that > people do get drawn towards people similar to > themselves. Speak for yourself, darling.

???? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > indeed people are startibg to do things to get a > mention. i even saw someone buying the Telegraph > this morning Liar.

PLEASE DON'T CLICK THROUGH TO THE BBC SITE IF YOU'RE SQUEAMISH! A man got the shock of his life when he opened a loaf of bread and found a whole mouse inside. North Antrim Magistrates Court heard how a man purchased a Hyndman's malt loaf from a supermarket in the Ballymoney area before Christmas 2007. When he unwrapped the loaf he discovered the small lifeless mammal embedded in the base of the bread. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8092921.stm

I don't read newspapers. I get all my news from a media outlet called the "East Dulwich Forum". :)

Marmora Man Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Maybe, how many ways is it possible to get out in > cricket? > > Now we're getting onto sensible subjects: > > 10 ways to get out - but there're 50 ways to leave > your lover! > > Caught > Bowled > Leg before wicket > Run out > Stumped > Hit wicket > Handled the ball > Hit the ball twice > Obstructing the field > Timed out Come on. Everyone knows that Cricket is more important than Love.

I see that anyone wanting British Citizenship needs to read a book called 'Life in the United Kingdom: A Journey to Citizenship' and then pass a test based on this book. I have no idea what's in the book though..? Maybe, how many ways is it possible to get out in cricket?

DC, I did point out this problem in my updated post!

D.C., not just encouraged I feel - those that settle in this country should DEFINITELY sign up to our liberal and democratic values. If they don't like them, then please go elsewhere - it's a big world. Of course, the interesting problem with this is that some indigenous white English people don't sign up to our liberal and democratic values and we have freedom of speech here, so they don't have to!

Interestingly DC, I re-read your post and noticed the following: Unbounded multiculturalism... fails to recognize the values and institutions held dear by the society at large, such as those that protect women?s and gay rights. I completely agree. And this is one major reason why I think we need more assimilation, because many of those that immigrate here do not have our liberal values that are held dear by us, e.g. women's and gay rights, democracy (of sorts!), etc.

How does my mum feel about Brent? Let's put it like this - she can afford to live almost anywhere in London (or the world) but chooses to stay in Brent (which didn't have any more green spaces 40 years ago). She loves it there. She also has a house in France where she spends quite a bit of time, and she loves it over there too. However, she, like me, thinks that people that immigrate to the UK should assimilate more into our (indigenous) culture (See my post above to DC).

DC, I mostly agree with you, though I do think that immigrants that choose to come here should, ideally, follow the culture of the UK as much as possible. Therefore, I think assimilation is what's required to some extent. What's wrong with wanting that?

Tony.London Suburbs Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Sherwick Wrote: > > Tony, you quite clearly have a problem with the > LEGAL immigrants because you keep bringing up the > fact that most of London (and elsewhere) is > non-white these days, unlike the marvelous past - > and , as I pointed out, the overwhelming majority > of these non-white people are here legally and > were born here. > Later you propose a solution for dealing with > ILLEGAL immigrants, and I pointed out that this > doesn't solve your problem of the non-white > areas. > > I do not have a problem with Non-White Areas but I > note the fact that a large number of White > Working-Class people do. > It does not affect me or my Family, personally. > > It is not "my" problem with Non-White Areas and I > do not see a solution at all. > > If you want my opinion I'm 100% certain that areas > that have become more and more Non-White will > expand further exactly as I have witnessed over > the last 40 years or so since my early teens. > > Why do I say that? > > Take Inner South-East London, your Area. The only > Non-Whites were in Brixton, initially in the > 1950's. Almost none in the surrounding areas. Then > Non-Whites moved to Stockwell and Kennington and > Peckham in the 1960's and as they did some Whites > moved out. That process accelerated as Non-White > people, "generally", much prefer to live and > socialise with other Non-White people so the > process continued into Camberwell and Nunhead and > Walworth and Streatham and Clapham and parts of > Dulwich. Then that process continued to Thornton > Heath, Croydon etc. > > So in my lifetime I have seen area after area in > this part of South-East London change from 99% > All-White to a substantially lower figure in many > areas. > > Exactly the same process in West London with > Notting Hill as its original nucleus. > Exactly the same process in North London with > Tottenham/Harlesden/Acton in the Heart of their > Community. > Exactly the same process in East London starting > with Hackney and latterly Newham/Tower Hamlets. > > The more "immigrants" moved in the more many > Whites moved out. > > Not saying they were right but they wanted to > remain in White Communities ( apart from the ones > who suddenly discovered mobility and fresh air :) > so they moved to The Home Counties and beyond. > > I've said b4 on here Sherwick that I traced 645 > from my Grammar School (1965-71 for me) and only > SIX said they still live in Inner London. More > lived in Sydney, Oz than the whole of Inner London > where our school was located! > > So the reality whether you or I like it is that > Communities, generally, prefer to be amongst their > own and London will become more and more > polarised. > > Doesn't mean we should not be equally respectful > and friendly to people though and treat everyone > equally, though. I think you're wrong. What's happened in the past 40 years may not happen in the next 40 years. I say this because I think we are heading towards all being tanned, i.e. mixed, eventually. Initially, immigrants tend to congregate together when they come to a country, but eventually they do integrate with the indigenous population (it's a theory, but there may be evidence for this). Added to that, many white Europeans have been coming here recently. By the way, this white flight that you speak of may well be 'WEALTH flight' - think about it.

1/ How have you, personally, adversely been affected by mass immigration to this Country over the last 40 years? Like a very few others, I enjoy the diversity. That's not to say that there aren't some bad apples in the immigrant population, just as there are in the non-immigrant population. To answer your specific question, I have not been adversely affected in any way whatsoever. 2/ Have your career prospects or environment or Culture sufferred? I think my career prospects improved actually. More opportunities, more ideas, a greater and diverse range of customers. Environment - London seems to be a much better place to me than it was in the 1970s - it certainly doesn't feel any more crowded to me. Culture - well I'm a Christian born and bred have always supported England in all sport/loved going to places like Bath and the Lake District as a child, and my culture hasn't suffered at all - I still love doing the things I loved doing as a child (only I fortunately have a bit more money now!). I cannot think of a single way how my culture has suffered. 3/ East Diulwich is not a comparitively diverse area, culturally, so roughly is your own area of residence diverse or are you, personally, a resident of the relatively non-diverse East Dulwich? My own area of residence isn't very diverse, and I do live in East Dulwich. 4/ If you are an East Dulwich resident why do you choose to live in a relatively non-diverse area of Inner London? Interestingly my first choice was Kew because I love Kew Gardens and living near the River. However, I could afford a place twice the size here - another very green place for London. I choose to live in a nice green area. I actually grew up in Brent, where my mother still lives.

Tony, you quite clearly have a problem with the LEGAL immigrants because you keep bringing up the fact that most of London (and elsewhere) is non-white these days, unlike the marvelous past - and , as I pointed out, the overwhelming majority of these non-white people are here legally and were born here. Later you propose a solution for dealing with ILLEGAL immigrants, and I pointed out that this doesn't solve your problem of the non-white areas. Anyway, what four questions are you talking about?

Thanks for your scientific evidence proving that 2 is the clincher. Much appreciated. (This is a joke by the way). If it's not often called "white flight" here, where did YOU get this term from? And I'm confused, is it you who are concerned about the lack of pure white neighbourhoods, or the BNP who are concerned, or both? As regards your (final?) solution to this terrible problem, the overwhelming vast majority of immigrants who are living here permanently are here legally and most people with funny brown skin were born here, so your 'deporting all illegals' won't work. In fact, illegals are already being deported.

OK, I submit, you've got me there. However, there are some similarities too and it's these that worry me, and frankly, should really worry any non-white people in East Dulwich, South London, London, South-East England, England and the UK. However, this is my opinion. (To be honest, I think I meant what was the difference in their ideaologies, not the socio-economic context of the two countries at respective points in time).

I guess your question is 'So why has "White Flight" taken place in London and Birmingham then, Sherwick? ? It's an interesting question because I honestly have never heard the term "white flight" used in the UK. I heard it used in the USA a lot when I lived over there for 6 years. I find this very interesting... Anyway, I don't actually believe that it HAS taken place (which is also why I've never heard it used in the UK). I think people move out of the centre of towns, either to the suburbs or further out to the countryside, because there's more space. Also, importantly, you get more bang for your buck. It may well be true that some whites have moved out because of number 2. However, I've known several white families that have moved out, and all did so to get larger houses in tranquil/countryside settings. You still haven't told me what the solution to this problem is - I assume that you see it as a problem and not just supposed BNP supporters who you are speaking on behalf of?

so all you people who sympathise with "the Working-Class peole have voted BNP", what's your solution to this 'problem'?

What's the difference between the BNP now and Hitler/Nazis when he first started rising to power?

Did debating with Hitler work when he first started his rise to power? Just asking. And yes, I'm comparing them.