grumpyoldman

Be careful if you question a cyclist on the pavement, this was tragic and i am not suggesting it would happen again. The attorney general is considering whether to review the four-year sentence given to a man who killed another man with a single punch. Andrew Young, 40, suffered a head injury and died in hospital after the assault in Bournemouth in 2013. Lewis Gill, of Sutton, south London, admitted manslaughter and was jailed at Salisbury Crown Court on Friday. Justice Secretary Chris Grayling said the attorney general was considering seeking a longer sentence. He called it a "repugnant crime", adding: "I think most of the public will feel justice hasn't been done." "In a case where [the attorney general] judges the sentence to be too lenient, he can go back to the courts and seek a longer sentence," Mr Grayling said. "He may chose to do this in that case." Dorset Police described the killing outside a Tesco Express store in Charminster Road as a "violent attack on an innocent man". CCTV showed Mr Young, who had Asperger's syndrome - a form of autism - apparently challenging Gill's friend, who was cycling on the pavement. Mr Young spoke with Gill's friend, who was on a bicycle Moments later, Gill, 20, who was walking along behind, was shown punching Mr Young in the face. Mr Young fell backwards and hit his head on the ground. Andrew Young died after being punched by Lewis Gill Conservative MP David Davies told the Daily Mail it was an "outrageously lean sentence". Chris Grayling told Daily Politics the sentence was being reviewed "In two years he will be out walking the streets after taking somebody's life," he said. "He has attacked someone unprovoked and should be properly punished. "People need to realise if you punch someone like that, and they fall backward, they can die." Gill, who carried out the assault on 6 November, had an extra six months added to his sentence after admitting an unrelated charge of handling stolen goods and breaching a suspended sentence order.

out of interest how much did it cost and who paid?

I live in East dulwich and do not mind the noise. I have to travel for business and on Long Haul flights I like to get home have a shower change and then go to the office. If that means that I land at 5.30 it is understandable. Used to live with a train line on one side and RAF fighter planes going overhead at 6.30 every morning, after a while you get use to it and it does not bother me. Here that there are city folk who move to the country at wekeend who complain about church bells and cockrels and want these band as well. If we all got what we would individually like band why would we live and we would all want to kill each other.

Sorry to every one if I woke you up this morning but was on a plance from Hong Kong that landed at heathrow at 4.50. I managed to get home by 6.00 and was in work by 9.00 am

sorry, think you need to look again 136 is on teh corner of Underhill and Dunstens

the 130's are near Dunstens Road

I got hit by a cyclyst on a pavement in the last few days. Luckely he only managed to hit my foot so I was not hurt. He fell off and had bad grazing to his legs and a bent wheel. If I had been injured what were my chnaces of claiminmg medicical bills from him and getting them paid? ok he is limping and has to buy a new front wheel. he was very insulting and trying to blame me for the accident. It may be just me but as I was crossing a zebra crossing in the city this morning a cyclyst came through a red light shouting at predestrians for crossing the road, he was going too fast and could not have stopped.

no drugs to sell

There was a dead fox cub in teh road opposite the school this morning

Ok if I get this right, some poor sole was attached after an evil looking dog ( in the eyes of the person who is being attached, and if they feel scared of the dog that is fair enough) tried to tangle him up by running through his legs. The people who attached him should be caught and jailed. If a dog is making someone uncomfortable that is a problem on this forum. If a man is taking pictures in a park and of young children (never proved) he is a pedophile and should be jailed. Be real, this man was attacked and injured by some nasty people, feel sorry for him and do not concern yourselves with the dog as if that?s how the owners behave then you can probably guarantee the dog will be of the same upbringing

This is what it used to look like.

Thanks councillor, Can you advise which streets were canvassed in the survey as this could make a big difference? If they were back streets away from main thorough fares with no shops and building works the litter would be less.

Please note that there was another vehicle involved, feel sorry for the young lady who may not have been responsible for the crash but was a victim

I am sorry to say, but it appears that the standard of education on this site is going down hill rapidly. We have people who represent us as elected members who are unable to spell or use a spell check before posting. Can forgive grammar but spelling even as a dyslexic is unforgivable. Can we at least get a proper standard of education on here?

sick an sick!!! some people may not think that is funny. Yes have ago at my views and insult me because of my comments, but treason!

If you look at the page from Ecclesiastical you will find the following. If Churches are too survive they need to take precautions as any homeowner would. Theft of metal Churches continue to be a target for metal theft Since the start of 2007 we?ve received more than 8,000 claims for metal theft, at an estimated total cost of more than ?23 million. Lead, copper and stainless steel roof coverings, roof flashings, copper lightning conductors and lead rainwater pipes have all been targeted. Whilst world demand for metal remains strong their scrap value will continue to be high, making them an attractive target for thieves, and churches will continue to face this problem for the foreseeable future. We?re here to help Ecclesiastical has been actively tackling this problem for several years by: launching a nationwide awareness campaign sending a free SmartWater forensic security marking kit to every church we insure in late 2007, and now offering it at a discounted rate for policyholders through SmartWater lobbying the police, Parliament and scrap metal dealers providing theft of metal prevention guidance notes and offering tailored advice for individual churches through our Insurance Consultants and Surveyors . You may not be aware that Ecclesiastical has also recently trialled a new electronic church roof security system that is now available to purchase (more on this below). What?s happening now? Metal prices (such as for lead and copper) are increasing again on the world market and experience has shown that as metal prices rise, thefts increase. With escalating losses, metal theft is one of the most serious problems that the churches we insure currently face. Nearly every day we receive claims for theft of external metals from churches. It?s not just the cost of replacing the materials that is the problem, it?s the resultant damage - thieves have also torn holes in roofs causing them to leak and ripped stonework away from pinnacles and towers. Damage caused by thieves can cost anything from a few hundred pounds to tens of thousands to repair. The thieves get a fraction of the cost for scrap and they?re causing irreparable damage to some of the nation?s most beautiful and sacred buildings. Reduce the risk of your church being targeted The level of risk churches face is different in each case. To find out how at risk you are from metal theft, we?ve produced a useful self assessment tool. Top tips for protecting your church. 1. SmartWater ? help us to help you SmartWater usage is a policy condition and we want you to be protected so that you receive the benefit of external metal insurance cover. Please urgently check your church?s status. For more information about SmartWater, the policy condition, success stories and much more, please visit our SmartWater page 2. Engage with your local community Joining the local Neighbourhood Watch scheme and urging the church?s neighbours to keep a watchful eye out for anything suspicious around the church can be a big help that costs nothing. Such activity, if identified, should be dealt with by calling the police straightaway and you should inform other churches in your area to put them on their guard. If you?re part of a National Churchwatch scheme, you can use this to pass on information. A good example (from the Diocese of Chichester) on how engaging with your local community can help you can be found here. 3. Install an electronic roof security system Following successful trials on churches at a number of metal theft hot spots, we are pleased to let you know about a new electronic roof security system. Key benefits: Effective at deterring metal theft as demonstrated in recent trials. The system is specifically designed to detect and deter intruders before any damage is caused. The technology used is virtually invisible and reversible. Large roof areas can be protected cost effectively. If the remote signalling security system is activated the alarm receiving centre carry out a planned response based on your previous instructions - perfect for buildings in remote or rural locations. If you install an Ecclesiastical approved roof security system and have also complied with the SmartWater policy condition, we may be able to increase your metal theft cover depending on individual circumstances. For more information (including about permissions) or to arrange a free*, no-obligation site survey please call 0845 600 9659 and quote "ECC 2". You can also download a factsheet. *UK mainland only - travel expenses may be applicable offshore

can we close underhill road for a street party please

the-e-dealer Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > In 1990 East Dulwich was 'Silver' Town with a very > high number of elderly. Car ownership was low and > many houses still had and used outside toilets. > They died out and the young moved in. And now the > young have grown a bit and have kids. > not sure quite when the chavs were here. I object to the comments about ED being silver town in 1990. We moved into the area when we were in our 30's and there were butchers , bakers and a fish shop in LL. This was destroyed when sainsburys moved into the area and people could not compete. Marks and spencers used to be in Pekham and we used to go there on the bus and buy at the weekend. Times change get over it. having M&S on Lordship lane would be good for the local tradesman as may be people would shop there instead of going to Sainsburys, therefore bringing more trade to the other local shops who are lossing out to the big superstores. Bring more people into teh area and it may prosper more, put your heads into the sand and it will be a ghost town as everyone will buy on line and have deliveres. We are own destiny, do what you want but don't complain when it all goes wrong.

Apparently an advert for Freeview. Man walking out catching ballons

Understand that thuis will be lounged. Howver in view of the comments recently submitted on various threads thought it may be best for people to have a chance to insult each other on one thread rather than on every other thread that is written. However would point out the following:- The law The Communications Act 2003 governs the internet, email, mobile phone calls and text messaging Under section 127 of the act it is an offence to send messages that are "grossly offensive or of an indecent, obscene or menacing character" The offence occurs whether those targeted actually receive the message or not Ok freedom of speach etc have a go

So does that mean we can have a Waitrose and Marks and Spencer. As a radio program would say Mornigton Cresent. However I do object to a serious but possibly over reactioned set of postings to be hijacked as a way having a slagging match between various parties. Shall I start a slagging match thread?

If it is damage by dogs surely the owners of the dogs should take responsibility not the park/ council. It is another waste of tax payers money that dog owners are unable to look after what they own. The alternative is to ban dogs from the parks and at the same time to ban them from the streets which would save the cost of cleaning up after them. Alternatively why not reintroduce dog licences at say ?500 a year, you then have the choise between dog ownership or not. Everything else is taxed so why not another thing.

Ok lets ask the Major to increase the London Congestion zone to include east Dulwich. Any one from east Dulwich pays ?10 per day for their vehicle but gets a reduction of 90% therefore a maximum of ?1 per day for all days except public holidays and weekends therefore that would be an additional ?249 per car that each of us would pay who own one car and more if your have more than one vehicle. It would also mean that people outside the area would have to pay and additional ?9 minimum per day if they travel from outside the zone. What do people think? In regards to the comments about electric cars, we would have to have the roads dug up to lay power cables as they would not be able to come from the house as either thieves would nick the cables or people would unplug them, trip over them and claim compensation. If you had an electric car and someone else was parked in one of the charging points overnight and therefore you could not use your vehicle next day how annoyed would you be and again the arguments of where people park would be raised again. There is one alternative which may work ask the rail companies to shut down the station, therefore no one can commute from the area and therefore the commuter traffic would not exist. everyone could therefore cycle or use their electric cars to the nearest station and move the problem else where.

looking forward to the posts tomorrow after the meeting this evening

No was just pointing it out to a number of people who post on here that they should be careful of what they write.