first of all, deepest sympathies go out to the dead man's family. Now, whilst I will defend everybodys right to say what they want I feel without this put into context, too many people will create a situation that will spell trouble for others who are innocent. The media will oversensationalise then the police will be even more ineffective with their heavy handed stop and searches of many innocent 'se15' types, which will complete the cycle with the young being alienated even further. It is highly unlikely that anyone on this forum will be at risk. Has anyone been this worried about the countless shooting( many indiscriminate) incidents that have taken place less than a mile away. Maybe we could be more vocal when any injustice takes place. Also, moving to the sticks isn't the answer, no one knows what goes on behind closed doors. My family have lived on upland road since 1962 and the incidents aren't indicative of the postcode, it is a sign of the times. Appreciate everyones views though- it should open the debate to discussing the causes and prevention of such tragic situations.