david_carnell

According to my sources Sun staff are already being told to prepare to move to a seven day operation. No news on fate of NOTW staff though. I have mixed feelings on that.

Holy shit - the NOTW is no more! This Sunday is the last edition......it's over.

Someone did once reduce the Israeli-Palestinian question down to the fact that it's very hot there and there's not enough water. Maybe there's some truth in it after all? ;-)

Paphio - it is not phones per se that are/were hacked. It is voicemail. On Orange for eg you could access your voicemail from any other phoneline by dialling a central number, entering your mobile and then a PIN. Tabloids discovered it was pretty easy to enter the mobile number of their target (easily obtained) and then using the default PIN that people rarely bothered changing i.e. 1234 or 0000. You could then listed to their voicemail messages. And in the case of Milly Dowler, delete them. I'd call that perverting the course of justice and a jail-able offence. If Coulson/Brookes were in the know they are guilty of conspiring with another to pervert the course of justice. That carries a jail term of life imprisonment as a maximum sentence. Books should be thrown.

Peter Oborne has written two fantastic articles on this and I quote verbatim without hesitation: Let?s try a thought experiment. Let?s imagine that BP threw an extravagant party, with oysters and expensive champagne. Let?s imagine that Britain?s most senior politicians were there ? including the Prime Minister and his chief spin doctor. And now let?s imagine that BP was the subject of two separate police investigations, that key BP executives had already been arrested, that further such arrests were likely, and that the chief executive was heavily implicated. Let?s take this mental experiment a stage further: BP?s chief executive had refused to appear before a Commons enquiry, while MPs who sought to call the company to account were claiming to have been threatened. Meanwhile, BP was paying what looked like hush money to silence people it had wronged, thereby preventing embarrassing information entering the public domain. And now let?s stretch probability way beyond breaking point. Imagine that the government was about to make a hugely controversial ruling on BP?s control over the domestic petroleum market. And that BP had a record of non-payment of British tax. The stench would be overwhelming. There would be outrage in the Sun and the Daily Mail ? and rightly so ? about Downing Street collusion with criminality. The Sunday Times would have conducted a fearless investigation, and the Times penned a pained leader. In parliament David Cameron would have been torn to shreds.

Oh, now I HAVE to post this: Th values of the Car Phone Warehouse.

Would all those Guardian hating/baiting posters from earlier in this thread now like to express their disgust at the actions of the NOTW and praise the Guardian for breaking the story? Anyone? ????? No?

Duplicate thread.

I think he still does Jez. The whole beheadings and trash-talk nonsense is just to sell tickets and build hype. It's been a staple of boxing for as long as there has been professional boxing. Any angle is utilised to sell fights - up to and including barely disguised racism. Anyone want to make some proper predictions for gloating rights on Sunday? I say Haye to win by (T)KO in R3 or R4.

Karenina - do you not think JAGS (I'm guessing this is your daughters school given you mention east Dulwich grove) should help pay towards a crossing attendant for their own pupils?

Alan Medic Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > > Are you talking about yourself David? I certainly > hope you weren't referring to another forum user. > I understand that Dulwichmum is from a humble > background. Nothing like the 'character' you may > have seen here. However this is/was an issue > worthy of attention as many others are which are > raised here. You seemed to wish to turn this into > a bullying exercise. Alan - I couldn't care if she's the daughter of Dick Van Dyke's chimney sweep. Her harping about ill-treatment and the flounce that followed was typical and tragic. The forum isn't run for her benefit despite what may have seemed like it a few years ago. I'd had enough.

I readily admit to being a pompous arse on occasion - but not here. I'm not trying to turn this into as debate that's been done to death. All I'm trying to suggest is that by taking their time, interest and money to the private sector parents are investing those schools with a formidable duty of care of their children. I think this should extend to getting them across the road in front of the school. In Southwark, where there are a large number of these schools as well as some of the poorest pockets of London, I don't think it's asking much for those schools to free up council resources by funding their own lollipop ladies.

I would suggest that each lollipop person is attached to a school crossing - which is why you see them outside of schools and not in the middle of random residential streets that children on their way to school still have to cross. Therefore I do not think that non-state schools should benefit from this council-funded school-based service. They (and the parents who have chosen to send their progeny there) have chosen to opt-out of society. For them, the public sector is not good enough. Fair enough. It is their money to do with as they see fit. I do not agree but will not seek to hector them here for those choices. I would opine, however, that the schools could extend their duty of care to the road outside their school and pay for their own crossing patrol. This seems logical, and in this age of austerity, a sensible saving of council money that could be spent on other schools.

aspidistra Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > David, I think it is the state infants and > primaries in the Village that are the main > beneficiaries, and would be the main losers. By > secondary age, kids can look after themselves. (I > walked 3 miles along country lanes without > footpaths by the age of 9, and so did many others > I know.) > > Agreed that any crossings attached to private > schools should be paid for by them. After all, > they charge people (e.g. a local charity) > squillions for using their premises. Apidistra - I agree with both your points entirely. I was basing my assumption on the original rant by DulwichMum that included the darling cherubs attending "Dulwich Village Infants, The Hamlet School, Bessemer Grange, JAPS pre prep, JAPS middle school, JAGS, Alleyns Junior School, Alleyns School and The Charter School". My reckoning makes half of those private. If the children attending those schools are making use of council-funded lollipop people then I think there is another issue at play - those schools could and should make a financial commitment to the community by funding their own or contributing towards the councils costs. I don't think that is wildly unfair.

I'm merely suggesting that I think it's a cheek for private schools anywhere to make use of council funded provisions. They aren't shy of a few bob, they can fund their own lollipop person and save the rest of us some money. If you opt out of the state sector don't come crying when the state doesn't provide services for you. I do, of course, have sympathy with the state primary schools in the village that are also affected. And I agree that if Southwark council was more effective in collecting its council tax (as highlighted by the Evening Standard this week) then vital services could be saved. And I don't think I was harsh at all. The women has flounced more times than Elton. It's pathetic.

Oh you pompous, self agrandising arse. The forum suited you just fine when you could launch a semblance of half a career out of it, didn't it?! Then it was all sweetness and light. But if someone so much as dared prick your bubble of hype, listen to you scweam and scweam. The reason no one visits your blog anymore is staring you in the face. Forum traffic is just fine. And here's an idea - all the fuck you private schools in the village can stick their hands in their pockets and cough up some community cash for their own goddamn lollipop person saving the rest of us some money.

Oh - and as for predictions I'm going for Haye win by KO in R3

Ah bugger. I'm out for a birthday dinner on Sat night and presumed the fight wouldn't be till midnight. 10pm and I might miss the fight of the year. Gah.

Given we have a Brit fighting a German-based Ukranian, what time will the fight be on for the American audience to watch at a sensible hour?

StraferJack Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The sort of guy who would sneer at you if you > asked for the wrong album in a Manchester record > shop, it's fair to say Pot. Kettle. Black. :)

I constanly post on websites I've been banned from, under pathetic pseudonyms, due to being a utter todger.

http://cdn.dealclick.co.uk/ukimgs/image/249394.jpg That is all.

He is certainly an actor who features at each end of the spectrum Good Raising Arizona Leaving Las Vegas Bad Lieutenant Moonstruck Bringing out the dead Bad Windtalkers 8mm Ghost Rider Wickerman Captain Corelli's Mandolin Who the hell knows The Rock Con Air

Thanks Jon A quick glance proved fascinating so I'm hoping to read more later. Whilst my friends will tell you I already belong in another era, I find it difficult not to long for Peckham's hey-day and some of the stunning Georgian and Victorian architecture to be uncovered and returned to its former glory. A sad tale of decline and unregulated expansion. Hopefully, if the money ever materialises, the refurbishment and redesign of the fron of Peckham Rye station will begin to restore Peckham.

I think the legal standpoint is that reasonable efforts have to be made. But, for example, there are some older tube stations that it is just not possible to retro-fit lifts or wheelchair friendly escalators. And obviously considerations have to be made for Crystal Palace being a listed building - you can't just knock it down however you feel like. I suspect, given that planning permission has been approved, money is the factor here for Southern Trains.