Fizzy

I thought I would put this out there as my neighbour was a victim of it earlier today. This particular incident happened at a Tesco ATM in Bermondsey, but obviously it could happen anywhere. He had put his card in to withdraw cash. I am not entirely sure how far he got with that particular process, but the machine did not return his card. There was a chap standing close to the machine on a mobile phone, and he told my neighbour that the same thing had just happened to him and that he was currently talking to an engineer. The 'engineer' then said that if another card was inserted, a code would appear on the screen which, when entered, would make the machine eject the cards. My neighbour did put another card in and a code appeared, which he duly entered. No cards were returned, the chap had made a hasty retreat and my neighbour had lost a total of ?2,600 from two accounts. The bank will refund apparently, but worth being aware of these methods that are being used to scam. I used to think I was pretty scam savvy and that 'it could never happen to me' until I was duped by a quite sophisticated HSBC scam a while ago, so am now super aware that it could happen to anyone!

The East Dulwich area has been well researched previously in the excellent books of John Beasley, but as a lockdown hobby, I started some local history research of my own into Lordship Lane and the surrounding areas during the 1800?s. I have found some things hopefully of interest which I would like to share. For some years, there was a mainly commercial area in Lordship Lane known as ?The Pavement?. This commenced from the corner with Whately Road and extended northwards. In 1881, Nos. 1-8 The Pavement ran from where Bells is now, up to the corner with Bawdale Rd. The respective businesses were as follows: No. 1 (Bells) was a Draper, No. 2: Stationers; No. 3: Cheesemonger; No. 4: Bootmaker, No. 5: Unoccupied, No.6: Oil supplies, No.7: Unoccupied and No. 8 was Victuallers/Wine & Beer Retailer. This is where Franklins is, now numbered at 157 Lordship Lane and the former premises of a Public House named The Victory. The numbering of the Pavement then goes a little awry, but some other businesses in that location were a Baker, Children?s Outfitters, Tobacconist, Butcher and a Coffee House Keeper. There was even a temporary public library there later, before Dulwich College allowed a permanent one to be built further up Lordship Lane. In the same year of 1881, there was a controversial debate going on regarding who was going to pay for the planned York Stone paving which was to line both sides of the highway to create a new street running from the East Dulwich Hotel (now known as The East Dulwich Tavern) to the Magdala Public House. (The Lordship). This stretch of road was described as a ?standing disgrace to the Parish and impassable in places?. People had purchased land there, apparently believing that as Lordship Lane was an old Parish road and Highway, it would be maintained by the Vestry of Camberwell as in the past. But there was an argument that the increase of buildings had in effect turned it into a ?new road? and it was thus the responsibility of the building owners to fund the work. It would appear that particular argument eventually won the day and the poor old Ratepayers had to cough up! In 1884, the East Dulwich Hotel (EDT) was up for sale after the death of its owner, one James Swain Gurney. Although licenced as the East Dulwich Hotel, it was known affectionately as ?Gurney?s?. Described as commandingly situated on the corner of Lordship Lane and Goose Green, it came with a livery stable adjoining. The immediate area is described as being, only a short time back, one of mainly fields and market gardens with Gentleman?s mansions in grounds of great area. Now with those demolished, there were ?thousands of middle-class properties? built upon the grounds. Its excellent location was also admirably placed for Peckham Rye, well patronised by cricketers, and Champion Hill Railway Station (East Dulwich Station). And finally, a great day for Lordship Lane on 17th July 1897, when the Prince of Wales, (later King Edward VII) accompanied by his wife and daughter, was transported in an open carriage on his way to Lewisham, to open a new Fever Hospital. In the neighbourhood of the East Dulwich Hotel streamers were arranged across the roadway and ?in all directions the tradesmen and private residents had made a brave attempt to give outward and visible expression to their loyalty?. The Pavement in Lordship Lane, described as being a busy centre of commercial activity, presented a most ?animated appearance with flags, banners and Japanese lanterns all tended to impart colour and picturesqueness to the scene.? There were ambitious efforts at decorations close to the Magdala Tavern and the Fire Station and a large canvas bearing the words ?Camberwell Greets You?. I hope if people like me enjoy local history, they will find it interesting. There is a lot more out there!

This situation has clearly given some people licence to stand in judgement of others from their lofty position of the moral high ground. This is a difficult time for everyone and people deal with it in different ways. To denigrate 'treats' or 'non-essentials', as they see them and, furthermore, taint those who may seek some comfort in them with accusations of irresponsible or reckless behaviour and a disregard for safety is mean-spirited and plain unjust. If a business is allowed to stay open and the guidelines are being observed, there is no reason in my opinion, why people should not purchase what they are selling, whatsoever that may be. To choose to have a few pleasurable moments in the midst of this terrible time is not a sin, it is actually essential for mental health. The fact that seems to offend some people is bewildering to me. I find these situations bring out the best and the worst in people. Had the Police carried through with that ridiculous threat to search people's trolleys/baskets, I have no doubt whatsoever that there would be an army of people volunteering to assist them and quite of few of them, I believe, probably use this forum.(I am not a flouter, I have observed the rules meticulously, but I confess I have had a large tub of vanilla ice cream and thoroughly enjoyed it!)

I am the original poster of this thread and have some info that may be useful. Husband walking dog recently around 10pm and sees 3 motorcyclists riding on Landcroft Road who then stop to confer together before observing him looking at them and riding off. He is fairly convinced they were the same group that we saw and challenged back in September when they stole a neighbour's bike. It may well be that they were casing the area again. He did not catch the numberplates but one had a metallic red helmet and one other had what looked looked like a black and white one. Of course they may just be innocent riders but something in their behaviour unsettled him and reminded him of those same males.

MCMC Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Wow this is unbelievable. I live in Silvester Road > and had my Vespa nicked at midnight outside the > house. Van just appeared and took it away! 12 > months before that the car keys were fished out of > the letterbox and I lost my Grandpas BMW. > > 2 months ago a guy walked up to our front door on > a Saturday at 11am, crowbarred the door and walked > in. > > We now have 3 front door locks, locked all the > time, CCTV and a burglar alarm. I don't sleep well > and I'm constantly wondering what next. It is not > safe to live here and the Police do nothing > visible to deter criminals. Sorry to hear this. Your experiences sound dreadful but I would hate to think our road sounds like the epicentre of crime in the area. We have lived here since the 70's and there have been a few incidents but we have never felt unsafe.

It was chained to a post outside the bay area. They were just so blatant. We certainly were't looking to be heroic, just acting on our instincts. Trying to be a good citizen without putting yourself at risk is not an easy call sometimes, but I hate the thought of just standing by.These lowlife scumbags exploit the fear in us!

4am this morning we awoke to sound of an extremely loud power tool only to see two bikes and 4 figures down in the street in the process of cutting through a heavy security chain linked to motorcycle belonging to a neighbour. Ran outside to challenge them and got some threatening abuse before they sped off with 2 of them pushing the stolen bike towards Lordship Lane. We gather from the Police that the bike had a tracker device and was later found near Coldharbour Lane. Just alerting people in the general area to this incident.

My sources tell me that they are keeping the pizzas on, developing more of a restaurant and that the sunday quiz may be moved to the Herne.

Breaking news! (Or is it Baking News? :))Just been informed by a man from Moxons the Fishmonger that they are opening a new bakery on the site of the chicken shop a couple of doors down. Should be opening early next year.

Frisco wrote: You know Fizzy, you don't have to read what people write or the opinions they express And I'm sorry too Frisco, my mistake for thinking that reading what people write was a vital point of the forum! I don't contribute often but I do read a lot of what goes on here and just sometimes I get the feeling that things start to get a bit too serious/petty. No offence intended, it's just my opinion....but hey you don't have to read it!! :))

Good heavens, Goose Green isnt the only place where there is the sound of scrapping! I should imagine poor Louisa is sorry she ever posted. Now everyone, calm down and back in your baskets!

Point taken and I'm not denying anyone their right to an opinion, as I did in fact state. Just trying to get away from this black and white/right and wrong issue. Men are of course affected by abortion and I am not saying that they should be excluded from the debate. It's just that I've noticed that often the most inflexible views tend to come from them. As for the comparision with shooting a man, what if that man was holding a gun to a loved one's head? What we perceive as being wrong or immoral can often be challenged when certain circumstances present.

You can debate and opinionate endlessly about this difficult and emotive issue and everyone has an absolute right to do that, whatever their views. But I would just say that, unless you have direct experience of this subject, you can never fully understand all of its elements. It is not just about right/wrong/morality, etc. How much simpler would it be if it was! Taking such a moral stance is all very well Nero and, yes, the whole business is very 'distasteful', I can vouch for that. We can all stand in judgement of others and measure them according to our own moral barometers, but nothing is gained by making a woman feel criminalised by her decision. I wonder sometimes whether the fact that it is often men who are so vocal on this subject, is aligned to the fact that it is one over which, ultimately, they have so little control. Women may be more inclined to think 'there but for the grace of god....etc'.

According to the history of East Dulwich book by John Beasley, "Zenoria Street (1882) was named after Zenoria, a child of Major Sill who fell in the American War, and was buried with her grandfather Joseph Sill (died 1779)in St. Giles Churchyard'

well I dunno, looked pretty posh to me but then what do I know? I'm a TKMax sort of girl. I remember the time in East Dulwich when going 'up market' was buying your pantyhose from a stall in Rye Lane. My how times have changed ....