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Good idea re: re-letting the spaces. 1) Electric bikes are less expensive than a car. 2) Our house has four and sometimes five people who ride bicycles -- the hangar space is a godsend (none of us have a car). 3) Yes - many people who live in flats are unable to take bikes inside - a couple of my friends have this problem. Cycling is not going to be for everyone, but, for those who chose to do so, the roads should be available for parking - most especially for people who live in flats and those that do not own a car. Our house has four people that could own cars and could take up four car spaces, but, a cycle hangar can serve six people in one car space!

For those hills - electric bikes are amazing. There are also routes around them going north that are flat. And winter is pretty mild here.

Even if they are unwilling to go after the thieves, perhaps the police can up their patrol/deterrent game a bit locally here? I know they did just that this summer around the Southbank etc with related public messaging for the same crime...

Just to say, that photo of the queue - that queue was there more days than not pre-ltn - I know as I have walked/cycled my kids to school down Ed Grove for 9 years. The stretch from Melbourne to Alleyns always the worst and we often dismounted from the bicycle and walked on the pavement for that bit and walked faster than the traffic. On the upside, I now see many many more people walking and cycling and have spotted some great new bikes out there that carry children. A segregated cycle lane down Ed Grove would be very beneficial and no doubt reduce the number of drivers on the school run.

Thanks for asking rahrahrah - I could not find data that would generate those charts either -- my gut feeling is that it is not there as I did a pretty thorough dig.

Gave up the car 10+ years ago. Our family walks/cycles/uses public transport/occasional taxi. No regrets at all. Have an electric bike now - with two panniers and a back rack I can carry tons of groceries etc. Kind of game changing - might be worth having a test spin on one to see how you feel about one. Rides just like a regular bike, but, with little effort - esp. on hills. I also ride a "normal" bike on easy trips. I'm old with various health ailments that can make getting around difficult but the electric bike works well for me on those days when I need a boost - either due to health, or because I'm transporting stuff.

Charter admissions policy is distance to the door. Students are local and walk/cycle.

Tbh the LTN's lining Ed Grove provide the ability to put down a segregated cycling lane -- without the LTN's, there would be many intersections with cars on this hypothetical cycling lane that would negate the ease of travel for children and less confident cyclists. Small electric buses sound great!

Thank you for posting the link to the Gear Change update rahrahrah. - https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/gear-change-one-year-on-review

Rockets Wrote: ... I was wondering > whether there are there any examples of LTNs > working - anywhere? Waltham Forest is always > thrown around as a great example of them working > but speak to anyone who lives around there and > they tell you they are anything but successful > (except if you live on the closed off streets) so > I am wondering if you have any examples of where > they have worked? Hi Rockets - Here is a report that outlines substantial air quality improvements in Waltham Forest. https://www.walthamforest.gov.uk/sites/default/files/WalthamForest_Kings%20Report_310718.pdf

hpsaucey Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Interesting article from CREDS: > https://www.creds.ac.uk/cycling-is-ten-times-more- > important-than-electric-cars-for-reaching-net-zero > -cities/ > > HP Good article - thank you. Here's a paragraph that is notable: *There are links in the article that discuss walking as well. "We also estimate that urban residents who switched from driving to cycling for just one trip per day reduced their carbon footprint by about half a tonne of CO₂ over the course of a year, and save the equivalent emissions of a one- way flight from London to New York. If just one in five urban residents permanently changed their travel behaviour in this way over the next few years, we estimate it would cut emissions from all car travel in Europe by about 8%." https://www.creds.ac.uk/cycling-is-ten-times-more-important-than-electric-cars-for-reaching-net-zero-cities/#

The man who was punched has written about it... https://www.economist.com/diary/2021/07/09/a-night-to-forget-the-english-fans-that-embarrass-their-country I think there may be a paywall - but - a good read. Eloquent. And, upsetting.

That's just awful.

And, to add those who are discrediting Aldred's professionalism -- this from Rockets: "I am glad we have finally established that Rachel Alfred's research is neither impartial or unbiased nor particularly scientific." It would be good to stop this sort of thing as well as the Alice statement that I will not repeat as it is false.

I agree with rahrahrah. Continuously discrediting her professionalism is a disheartening game and does not strengthen your argument against LTN's.

Legal alien - no. She is stating there is no national school travel data available. The article itself is focused on the idea that streets ought to be easily navigated by everyone in all modes including walking and cycling. Rockets - I think the LTN's are a first measure. Segregated cycle lanes need to be added to address parts of the population that have previously not been catered to - women and children and less confident cyclists. With no thru traffic on many roads bordering Ed Grove, the addition of segregated cycle lanes is a real possibility and one that would help groups that have not been catered to with cycle infrastructure - mums and kids and those needing to travel east west rather than into the city centre. For walking, many of the LTN's are a real plus to small people who need to cross streets safely. Cars and vehicles will certainly be part of the mix, but, it would be great if kids could walk and cycle to school with confidence. And, as far as pollution and climate change and population growth, we need to stop using cars as much. Eliminating just one trip a day does have an impact. I think the focus is on both walking and cycling from what I have read. I have to cut out here as I have a busy work day to finish -- I can't dedicate the amount of time to this as I would like.

In response to Legal alien who stated: "But all about cycling again - when most children walk to school" Article: "The absence of rigorous, national school travel data suggests children?s mobility is not valued as highly as adult commuting. " And on walking in the article: "But for children (and others) the main barrier to movement ? motor traffic ? is virtually omnipresent. A residential street closed to through traffic is a road open to walking and cycling, especially for those who have a stronger preference not to mix with motor traffic." https://www.transportxtra.com/publications/local-transport-today/features/69199/do-inclusive-transport-strategies-really-consider-the-needs-of-all

Interesting article -- https://www.transportxtra.com/publications/local-transport-today/features/69199/do-inclusive-transport-strategies-really-consider-the-needs-of-all-

I agree.

Have your say here: https://allpartycycling.org/resources/inquiries/reaching-our-active-travel-potential/

First Mate - Back when I had a car, it was stolen on my street - a locked car in broad daylight - I watched it drive away. There are cars broken into on a regular basis around here. Bikes are not spared that either but so far, fingers crossed, mine has not been stolen and has lived happily in a bike locker. I do have insurance for it and it would cover a bike locker theft as long as my bike was secured with a proper lock (or two in my case).

I wonder if the drop in business that some Melbourne businesses say they are feeling is more a result of less people walking to and fro to the station as less are still not going into work? I went in the M&S by the station today around commuting hour and it was super-quiet in comparison to the big M&S on Lordship. On my walk down Melbourne there were lots of parents and kids scooting and cycling to school - and - Lane Eight was indeed busy and the little seating area outside was full....

Ahaha - no! Love it no matter! Hope you get one soon - ours took 4 years and lots of support from the street residents writing letters for it.

Rah Rah - yes - I find them too just slightly too small as well but I think they were designed around the idea of cars and parking so that they take up just one car parking space.

It ended up a surprise move, but, it was not placed in front of anyone's house. It was approved in one spot and a few residents decided to contact the council and have it relocated. I think everyone hated the idea of a hangar at the time and I could not bear to be loathed so just went with the flow.