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marcos Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > For the last three weeks the Saturday Guardian has > had no middle section or has not been available at > all. does anyone know what is going on? Is this for real?

Oh come on civilservant, what are you a leaver or remainer?

Thanks to the OP and about phone snatching!

Not sure what you are trying to say JoeLeg or what YMMV means? Leave voters voted to leave the EU by over one point two million voters in 2016 so that is not a 'skin of their teeth vote'.

Blah Blah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > People have a democratic right to march, just as > people have a democratic right to lobby > parliament. That did not stop with the referendum. > The truth is that leave voters know they won by > the skin of their teeth and are terrified of > losing it in a 2nd ref. So who can blame remainers > for smelling that fear and fighting for what they > believe in. No true democrat would. > > The last People's Vote march got 500-700k out > (depending on who you believe). By any measure, > that is a huge demonstration for London. Hope you have a good march but to say that leave voters won by the skin of their teeth is totally uncalled for.

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Think Rains still stands as sweetgirl changed two letters.

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Never heard of a babycino but thanks for enlightening us Rob!

goldilocks Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I was interested in seeing this in action so went > past on Friday. I was a little late so got there > at 4:04pm. There was no sign of the road closure > at all. So 4 mins after the 1 hour afternoon > scheduled closure of the road directly outside the > school entrance, there was no sign of it! > > Am posting this as a little perspective amidst all > the talk of sledgehammer to crack a nut etc. It?s > a very limited closure scheme for an hour in the > morning and one in the evening. The rest of the > time the road is open as usual. I?m also presuming > that it will also only apply in term time. > > The point of these schemes are to cut down on the > pollution kids are exposed to on the school run, > for all the reasons noted above re idling cars, > dangerous parking etc. In an ideal world it > wouldn?t be necessary because everyone would be > very considerate. But that isn?t the case. Also > worth flagging that small children are > disproportionately affected by pollution as they > are closer to the source re exhaust fumes as well > as their relative size to amount of pollution. You were not just a little late at 4.04pm but very late in the scheme of things for this street closure! But it looks like Bessemer Grange have agreed that Nairne Grove will have a permanent barrier in place soon with road signage warning car drivers not to park on the remaining part of Nairne Grove, which has been cut off for the past 5 months. Southwark Council highways and biways really need to get their act together!

DuncanW Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I'm a Bessemer Parent; I am delighted with the > road closure and would recommend the initiative > being deployed at other schools where practical. > From what I can see, the school tried several > methods over a sustained period of time to protect > the children from the inconsiderate and dangerous > habits of a minority of parent drivers. This seems > to be the only thing that has been effective. > > From what I notice, there hasn't been a massive > shift in parking issues to surrounding roads. > Parking around there has always been tight and > remains so (I guess that's part of the reason some > people park illegally by the school). But as I > continue my onward journey up Woodfarrs or > Dylways, there generally seem to be some spaces > available. Further, the number of legal spaces in > the closed area is minimal as most of it is > covered by the school zig-zags. > > With regards to the school's expansion and the > distance that parents travel; according to the > 2017 intake data, it's oversubscribed (the > most-applied for school in the borough) and the > furthest distance offered was 1223 metres. So the > number of parents travelling from distance should > be reducing, not the other way round. Obviously you do not live in the area but as a bike rider of course you would be delighted with the scheme.

jamesmcash Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Hi all > > It's great to see that this initiative is being > discussed on the Forum! I have been discussing > this with a number of the schools in the Goose > Green area and there is a lot of interest. It is > probable that we would look at something around > Goose Green Primary School initially but there is > potential for it at a number of other schools. Of > course, as with all these schemes, the devil is in > the detail so before anything is implemented i > would want to ensure there is adequate discussion > with both the school and the local community. > > Best wishes > James Good luck with that idea James!

Article about the CPZ proposal in the Southwark News today and mentions comments on this forum.

Bessemer Grange should have had CEO's (otherwise known as traffic wardens) patrolling the school at drop-off and pick-up times, prior to the street closure. Why didn't they if there was such a parking problem? The head must have known about parking issues but the head has now imposed other parking issues on the local surrounding community i.e. inside and outside of the yellow gates. I've noticed that the two disabled parking bays directly opposite the school are due to be taken out (notices on lamp-posts recently) but nothing about the zig zag lines directly outside the school so what's the point of them? So now the surrounding area have to put up with cars parked on double yellow lines, across driveways, across zebra crossing zig-zags, neighbours cars being damaged. This is just around the corner from Bessemer Grange and this also impacts on children's safety. The area is suddenly (since last Sept/Oct) being patrolled by CEO's on foot and in cars but they are reluctant to issue any fines in the area. I've spoken to them regularly about the problem in the area since the Street Closure but they all seem very friendly with the parents driving into the school.

Thanks for all the comments.

Looks like this Experimental Traffic Order has come into force and not long after the notices were posted. Had to drive straight over the top of Dog Kennel Hill today to access entry on to Denmark Hill.