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JoeLeg Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Is the DUP really angling for a soft Brexit? You > probably know more about the situation on the > ground in N Ireland than me, but Foster and her > lot don't seem that 'soft' to me. The DUP are far drom soft - they are as hard as nails & unrelenting in their approach to everything. They are the main reason that caused 40 years of grief in NI. They precluded nationalists from education, housing & jobs & this created the problem in the first place. Their stance on Brexit is confused - they go with the jingoistic notion of Brexit but want to keep the border open so the can export easily to Ireland as they have become used to. They want to exclude immigrants in a very hard manner like Liam Fox & co. The DUP are a very narrow minded people all round. If the border is left open like they are angling for, then Ireland will become a fault line for smugglers where the lads along the border have become the most professional smugglers the world has ever known. Most of the cigarette smuggling from Russia & China passes through the border area & even when it happens elsewhere it is NI operators that are engaging in it somewhere along the line. There are more truck movements in & out of NI than the legitimate business would warrant. The same applies to the various alcohol & VAT recovery schemes - you will find that the defendants in many of the cases will include a cohort from NI who enter into alliances with others from all over the world. The DUP want a customized version of Brexit that will make money for themselves and don't care a damn about anybody else. That is May's dilemma - she cannot satisfy their demands even in the medium tern & so it will fall apart sooner rather than later. Best for the country to have a General Election now but the tory party know that this will ruin them for years to come. Party comes first..!

With the Hard Brexit loonies threatening May with removal if their version is watered down, a General Election seems the only way forward - it should be sooner rather than later as delay will defeat the outcome of any negotiations as the EU will be skeptical about the authority of the negotiating team if there are mixed signals constantly coming from the UK. On top of that the DUP will be pulling in the opposite direction angling for a much softer Brexit & other [possibly undeliverable] conditions. Thearse Maybot has really no tenable position. General Election asap - only solution but they Tory lot know they will lose. LibDems will gain more seats as will Labour. Tories out on a limb with Borisovic/Gove & other cretins fighting over the carcass.

Loz Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Lordship 516 Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Culpability:- > > > > Supplier - knew or should have known of the > risks > > of using material & had an obligation to inform > > and/or refuse supply. > > Builder - knew or should have known risks of > using > > material & ought to have opted for safer > material > > - a better & more effective fire barriers to > the > > flammable material; also had an obligation to > > install the materials properly. > > Employers agent - had an obligation to ensure > all > > materials were fit for purpose, didn't pose any > > risk & were installed properly. > > Architects/engineers - had an obligation to > ensure > > against risks as last and to write detailed > > specifications that demanded suitable effective > > fire proofing standards. > > As I said above, if the cladding and insulation > were certified for use for the situation, all of > these groups will be absolved. > > If the materials weren't certified, some or all of > these will be in massive amounts of trouble. Not so - there is a common law obligation also. Hiding behind specifications & clearances is not the whole story. A Developer/Architect/Builder has a duty of care & can be held responsible regardless of what was specified - if it wasn't so there is a possibility of condoning mistakes & even a conspiracy to defraud. The issue of self-certification of installations is particularly important as the person doing the certification is employed by the builder - not a healthy scenario & prone to pressure & abuse. I am working on a case where this very principle is at issue. Prime cost v Costs-in-Use v Whole-of-Life-Costs where the Developer, Builder, consultants & others are being held to account [financially] for poor work & specification that have lead to residents being required to stump up millions for remediation after they have bought their flats. The residents have been winning the case [so far] and the developers/architects/builders have requested an adjournment for settlement as the court has indicated they will reward compensation even greater that has been claimed. A lot of the actors in this case will be held culpable & rest assured they are this very day & every day for the future working with high priced lawyers to try to save them from jail & huge compensation [hopefully] for the victims & their families.

uncleglen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I heard sprinkler systems were offered and the > tenants turned them down due to the disruption it > would cause.... You heard..? From whom..? Nick Paget-Brown who is busy squirming his way out of the noose that he fashioned for himself - HA..! This rat is a fool & will be brought down by all of this. For sure...the government need scape goats & he qualifies quite nicely along with Rock Feilding-Mellen who was actually in charge of the project.

After a fire in Shepherd?s Bush, west London last year, London Fire Brigade issued a warning to landlords about the fire hazard posed by external panels, or cladding, on tower blocks. Why, then, did they not withdraw fire certificates on all of these buildings & issue compliance orders for remediation..? Grenfell Tower had not been checked for fire safety for 18 months - why not..? Surely this is a failing of the Landlord, the TMO & LFB..? Failings all round and all equally responsible. Currently scattering around to line up the best barristers & 'experts' to save their own skins.

Culpability:- Supplier - knew or should have known of the risks of using material & had an obligation to inform and/or refuse supply. Builder - knew or should have known risks of using material & ought to have opted for safer material - a better & more effective fire barriers to the flammable material; also had an obligation to install the materials properly. Employers agent - had an obligation to ensure all materials were fit for purpose, didn't pose any risk & were installed properly. Architects/engineers - had an obligation to ensure against risks as last and to write detailed specifications that demanded suitable effective fire proofing standards. K&C as Client - as an experienced client would have the same obligation as all the above. K&C as regulatory authority - has an obligation to ensure compliance with Building Regulations/Fire Regulations but that has been largely derogated to the consultants who self certify and they are nowadays employed by the Design & Build type builder; these consultants are beholden to their paymaster & act accordingly. K&C still have a responsibility at the application stage of Building Control. London Fire Authority - has an obligation to assess the completed building & issue a fire certificate which should have been withheld if the materials were not up to standard. The LFA will be playing a policing role in the investigation & might well be trying to exonerate itself. Home Office/Government/Minister/Civil Service - all had an obligation to enact regulation/legislation in the context of the report after the Lakenal disaster & other well reported fires associated with this material. Will also be involved in policing itself as well as all the other actors. All of the above actors are equally culpable as they must all be considered experienced professional entities with knowledge of previous failings in the use of this material and the consequences of using or allowing the use of this defective material. The enquiry/investigation is going to be a mess of highly paid lawyers passing the buck from Billy to Jack & back again. Years of shyte talking & the residents shunted around to suit the needs of K&C & the Government. K&C have a surplus of ?260 million squirreled away - it would cost about ?90 million to buy flats in the K&C borough to house these unfortunate people - why can this not be done; there are approximately 400 one & two bed flats for sale in & around K&C at an average of ?750K so why does the government do it or instruct the K&C to do it..? ....Oh, I forgot; all of this must be done on the cheap for ordinary oiks. Couldn't pollute the posh neighbourhoods with social residents, could we. Then Nicholas Paget-Brown & Rock Feilding-Mellen would for sure lose their seats in a tory backlash..!

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Adam's comment re the Queen "No harm to her" is simply a colloquial NI expression meaning "No reflection on the Queen". I t implies that any blame for the situation lies with Thearse May. It does not constitute any implied threat & was made in a manner of goodwill in the situation he found himself in. The Torygraph is grasping at straws.

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???? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > rendell your partisanship is without waver and > shines through like a huge red rosette - are you > in fact Helen Hayes? Hey Quids - are you Lynton Crosby..?

DUP issues:- Human Rights issues - http://ohrh.law.ox.ac.uk/the-dups-worrying-human-rights-record/ DUP councillor's celebration of DUP election success - http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2017/dup-man-celebrated-election-with-photo-of-terror-group-flag-in-downing-street-35814566.html British health service publishes 2016 abortion stats for England & Wales - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCMjql-XsAAx32T.jpg 3,265 Rep Ireland, 724 N Ireland; Human Rights Laws "Weakening human rights laws will not make us safer" https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCMMH88XkAABsKx.jpg

rendelharris Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Loz Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > rendelharris Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > > > I assume Lordship means, and I agree, that > she > > > should apologise for calling an entirely > > > unnecessary general election > > > > Nice try, Rendel, but looks like you were a bit > > off the mark! > > Really? I look to Lordship to correct me, but I > see nothing in his or her posts which contradicts > my opinions... Rendel - I can confirm your opinion concurs with mine ... & that I am a mere male..

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DaveR Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > "Your opinion is always valid for you." > > But I recognise that that is exactly what it is - > an opinion. And I'm willing to discuss it, and > who knows, I might even be persuaded that it > should change. > > Millions of people just voted for the Tories, and > they are the largest party in the Commons. But to > you, those people are 'wrong', because TM (like > Thatcher before her) is an 'ogre'. Which is a > statement. So there. It's not just valid, it's > right. And by the way, Irish people can't be > British. > > As I said, not very persuasive. And not very > impressive. You jump to too many conclusions. To me Tory voters are not 'wrong' per se - I never made any statement that the Tory voters were wrong; it is their democratic right to cast their vote as they wish - I do regard that in my opinion they are misguided. It is my opinion that May & Thatcher are/were selfish unfeeling ogres obsessed with their own persona and power. You are conflating your own thoughts. I'm Irish by birth, my father was Irish by choice but reluctantly British as he was born before Ireland as a nation in its own right came into being. I have a British Passport that describes me as a 'subject' & live in England that is part of Great Britain which in turn is part of the United Kingdom. When I'm watching a rugby or other sports match I am Irish, when I pay my taxes I am British - so what am I? I am a person in my own right like everyone is. BTW, I care less if you are impressed or not.

DaveR Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > "It is a statement - not an argument." > > That's an interesting distinction. So if I said > "Lordship 516 demonstrates a shaky grasp on > political and economic reality, and his/her prose > style also leaves a lot to be desired", a view > with which you would presumably disagree, an > appropriate response from me would be "It's a > statement, not an argument"? Your opinion is always valid for you. Let's see where the political & economic realities land in the months to come.

May started stuffing envelopes for the party aged 12...now she's stuffing the rest of us, for the party...

Stringvest - you did great. Best just thank these people for their advice & help & then ignore them. Most normal people understand and have better things to do.

DaveR Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > "This person is an ogre of the highest Thatcherite > order." > > So TM should apologise to you for having the > temerity to hold different political beliefs? > > Not very persuasive. It is a statement - not an argument. She can hold any view she wishes, but now it is the whole country that is suffering from her views.

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uncleglen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ... even though my granny was Irish UG - There's hope for you yet..!

Loz Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Lordship 516 Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > She has apologized many many times to the > > conservatives but she has yet to apologize to > the > > electorate for her shambles... > > You want her to apologise to the electorate for > them not voting for her enough to give her a > majority? She got more votes than Corbyn - does > he have to apologise as well? > > You have a really weird viewpoint of the world. My point is very simple: 'May is still only working for the Conservative party interests' In all her communications she appears only to care about the damage to the conservative party & her own ego & cares little about the damage she has wrought on the country. She has expressed great sympathy for MPs losing their seats & income and says she will help them but she has no compunction in taking badly needed income from the poor, the sick, the disabled & the old. At the same time she distributes tax relief largesse to her crony supporters & sits on her hands and does very little to collect a reasonable amount of tax from Starbucks, Facebook,Microsoft, Google, Amazon etc. The argument that they would take flight is not valid - they would stay because they have a lucrative market here even if they paid more tax. Let the newly unemployed MP take a hike down to the nearest Job Centre Plus & ask for their entitlements just like every other citizen & offer to retrain for a viable job - the expert staff will give them good advice & enrol them in great training programs that will enable them to get a good job - there are lots of jobs available or so she says; if they have a cashflow problem in waiting for their Universal Credit to kick in they then let them go to the food bank; if they don't know where it is, just ask a nurse who is short of cash or a policeman who has been sacked - they will let them know how the system works. This person is an ogre of the highest Thatcherite order. As usual, you are quoting selectively out of context - that is your way of projecting your contorted view to the world, which of course, is your right..

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May is still only working for the Conservative party interests "I've got us into this mess, I'll get us out of it." "MP says PM pledged that the party would help colleagues who lost their seats - some of whom are in financial difficulties" Can they not retrain & get Universal Credit - even visit the local foodbank?? She has apologized many many times to the conservatives but she has yet to apologize to the electorate for her shambles...