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LizzygotDizzy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > dita-on-tees wrote:- > > "But jesus I am so surprised by some of the views > here - this is a forum that gets itself in > rebellion over chain coffee shops, overpriced > babyclothes shops, estate agents and carbon foot > print issues, but drug abuse and smuggling nahhhhh > thats ok. Eh??? One of my big bug bears is middle > class attitudes to "recreational" drug use. Well > unless drugs are now being sold in John Lewis, > organically farmed in sussex by a nice farmer > called John, then where do we really think our > money goes when we purchase drugs. The drug > industry, and it is a huge industry, is happy to > sell dirt cheap heroin to kids who have to sell > themselves to pay for it. Middlesborough has the > highest instances of under age prostitution in the > country and guess what, the majority are on heroin > or crack. More often than not prices are > supplemented by the people willing to pay more for > it - ooh all those nice people with a bit of > charlie after the carbon neutral organic dinner > party. Ok some dealer dont push class a but where > do you think they buy their stuff from??? Not John > Lewis. I dont know how anyone with a social > concience can contribute to the demand for this > industry - the money all flows to a small number > of sources, and these people arent all that nice > > > well thats me not able to attend any forum > drinks......." > > Guess she was right about the attitudes on here > eh! Middle class hypocracy regarding cocaine is, of course, daft. Coke's a horrible drug, both in it's effects on users and the way it's grown and distributed. As i said before, i think the law is correct on this one. But please, for the purposes of this discussion can we can we stop lumping all drugs together: legal = good, illegal = bad.

The old canal path starts between Peckham Pulse and the library and goes up to the eastern edge of Burgess Park. It's a pleasant route but one that i avoid after dark or when i'm on my expensive steed. Hub/enclosed systems are perfect for city use. The classic version is made by Sturmey Archer but i think they might've gone out of business now. The alternative is made by Rolhoff and can be found on models like this: http://gb.cannondale.com/bikes/07/ce/urban/badboy/model-7BSR.html Cannondale's are overpriced but very nice to ride. A big part of your decision making should be based around how often you lock your bike up in public, whether you've got insurance for it and how much you'd be upset if it was stolen. There's a lot to be said for dirt-cheap bikes.

I seem to remember The Gowlett states that it's in "Bellenden" on it's own stationary. Must remember to give that one a go next time i'm in a cab.

*Bob* Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It amuses me no end the way that people who > "don't" are always inventing reasons end > explanations for the people that "do". > > Several years ago, some friends of mine came down > to visit from up north. A university professor, a > teacher and a painter and decorator. They hated > the idea of clubbing. The bleepy music. The > requirement to do drugs. The bobble hats and > sunglasses. "Sad", they said. > So, like Nic-O-Tine, I persuaded them to go > clubbing - just once - just for the experience. > > It's great watching people finally 'get it'. lol Blame the bleeps.

So, if you believe that drugs that have harmful side effects be banned i assume you support the prohibition of alcohol too?

A fair part of the problem is lumping all illegal drugs in with each other, irrespective of their effects on the individual and wider society. It makes no sense to teenage kids (and me) why a drug like alcohol is legal and cannabis isn't. A good example of how legalisation could work can be seen in our neighbouring areas. There are a number of shops in Peckham selling weed across the counter. They keep themselves reasonably anonymous, doing deals away from the public gaze. They don't sell to those who look under 18 or 'drug tourists' and have been operating in a similar manner for years with few problems, i assume with local police turning a blind eye. Compare this to Brixton, where after a period of tolerance, the police are clamping down on dealers again. The streets are full of people offering any kind of drug you can imagine, making the place feel hostile, even during the day. The solution for cannabis is simple: legalise it, tax it, control it like alcohol and educate people on the side effects. The same can go for ecstacy, which is cheap, does little or no harm to society and is unlikely to ever appeal to the masses anyway. There are all sorts of problems with coke, ranging from where it's grown to the effect it has on it's users and legalising it makes no sense. To crack down on growing usage in the UK there needs to be a greater level of education regarding it's dangers and increased police pressure on dealers. Anyone who feels the need to take heroin or crack obviously needs help. Giving it away in special centres would eliminate the main problem associated with them, which is crime committed by addicts to pay for their habit. These centres can them help them off. To those who favour complete prohibition: i assume you would you also support the banning of alcohol?

I was told by someone who lives close to the estate that it's suffering from subsidence problems (something to do with them being built on the spoils of the second Blackwall tunnel) and the council can't sell them until they've sorted the problem. Could be nonsense though.

Yeah, the Lyndhurst Way/Bellenden route is a good option. Be careful past the shops though. I've seen lots of near misses around there. As for the Kennington problem, i tend to carry straight on at the lights then turn right onto the road that goes north around the Oval. There's a right turn along there which takes you on side streets up to Lambeth Bridge. It's much quieter than battling along more main roads, though not as quick.

Jah Lush Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Fat lot of good it did him though...(Allan Carr > that is), the book may have enhanced his bank > account quite considerably, but he still died of > cancer. Didn't someone see him filming on Peckham Rye a while back? ;)

Bellenden Belle Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > What is an east dulwich logo?? > > That will be up to the kids! It seems odd to me that you're letting kids design the ED logo, which is exactly the sort of comment levelled at the new Olympic logo. It's a great idea to get kids involved in designing the picture on the bag but surely a logo, that can be used again and again for a variety of uses, needs a little more consideration? Something involving jagged lines and acts of oral pleasure perhaps?

Evan Davies outside the George Canning on Saturday evening.

Michael Moore in the West End. Consistantly excellent reviews, very relaxed and nice little extras like free glasses of bubbly and tours of the kitchen etc. http://www.london-eating.co.uk/2434.htm

James Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > They had a feature on BBC TV this morning about it > with some old f*rt who didn't like it (too old and > out of touch). Then they showed the Barcelona 92 > recent Sydney ones as examples of how it should > be. They were both dreadful - dull, bland and > generally reminiscent of a provincial tourist > website. At the time, Barcelona's logo was stylistically fresh ...'hand painted' imagery as opposed to the traditional crisp, corporate look of the '80s. It was then ripped off mercilessly by huge corporations trying to look more 'friendly' and later by the Sydney Olympics. Anyway, lots of good points in this thread.

peckham_perkster Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I asked my other half in Brum what he thought of > it as he does animation and video so would have > been able to come up and produce the video they > did, here's what he said. What's his name? I'm in the same field and used to work in Birmingham (and now live in Peckham).

monica Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > lol im reading and giggling to myself about saying > hi to each other.Dont know if anyone as seen or > heard the guy who whistels at people and if you > look at him he asks you what you are looking > at.Today he walked by and a guy just said hy and > the whistler started swearing at him and asked him > who the hell he was saying hi at,so please say hi > when you are walking around ed but ignore > him,unless you fancy a arguement Ha ha, we call him 'Mr Clanger'. Just whistle back at him, it's quite funny. I've seen him directing traffic a few times whilst stood at junctions, to the bemusement of passing drivers.

Cycling in London really isn't that bad. Motorists here are generally quite aware of cyclists because there's quite a lot of us compared to most other British cities. I appreciate it can be daunting initially but choose your routes carefully and stick to areas you know to begin with. Fairly soon you'll wonder why you spent so much time in your car. With regards to costs, motoring in the UK is cheaper now, relatively speaking, than it has been for 20 years. Yes, the elderly and those with kids should be able to park easily but everyone else has no excuse.

Polly D Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Sean and *Bob* - me too! > > How about Mitte in Berlin. Actually, Forest Hill > is twinned with Charlottenberg in Berlin, > coincidentally v near to where my bro lives. He > got a bit sniffy 'bout that though and claims that > Charlottenberg is much more central than FH. But > if we're going for culture and social types then > it's not far off I'd say. Mitte's more like Clerkenwell or Shoreditch. Berlin is great though.

I've got a bit of free time on my hands at the moment and wouldn't mind putting something back into my local community. So, does anyone know of any opportunities for part-time volunteering in the neighbourhood? Thanks in advance.

bawdy-nan Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Maybe you can adapt this one. At the elephant you > don't need to go round the roundabouts as there > are cycle routes and toucan crossings...there's an > alternative route via an old canal path (behind > peckham pulse) which brings you out at burgess > park which is et out in nic's post above ... I'm usually wary of shared cycle paths like that one in case i crash into a pedestrian. It's a nice route but i avoid it when commuting because i'd be tempted to whizz down it at a pace that's likely to cause an accident sooner or later.

beatnic Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > East Dulwich to White City > > 45-55 minutes cycle: variations due to weather, > traffic and condition of cyclist! That's pretty impressive. What's your magic route?

Went in there last night for the first time and tried to work out what wasn't quite right. The revamp must've driven away all the regulars, which is a shame because it hardly looks like a minimalist wine bar now, in fact they seemed to have filled it with all the usual tat form the 'furnish a pub' wholesalers. It was too brightly lit for a pub and the music (blaring out of cheap ghettoblaster thing lacked inspiration. It was far from awful... it just didn't seem to have any personality or character. I felt a bit sorry for the landlord chap who seems to have misjudged both his old and new, potential, clientele. Still, i'll probably go back, even if it's just for the location. (Er, hello. I'm new btw.)