exdulwicher

It was irony* *Like gold-y and bronze-y but made of iron. 😉

Oh I can't see *anything* cos none of them are wearing hi-vis. That's literally just a black screen, none of those boats are in hi-vis. How careless of them! If someone paddles into one of those boats, I'll have no sympathy for it cos it's not dressed properly. Stupid boat. Where's its lifejacket and helmet? I had to look away from the rest of it, the absolute chaos of all those black things colliding with each other was traumatic. It's been a while since I saw Amsterdam actually; last time I saw it, Ryan Reynolds and Samuel L Jackson were having a massive shootout in the place. I assume Rockets must have been visiting at that time and assumed that was just normal rush hour. 😉

It's a fair question. Rockets seems to have fairly consistently complained about any and all traffic measures but maybe we've missed his thread of glowing endorsements about Dulwich Square, school streets, cycle lanes and bus lanes?? Some positivity would be nice so a list of what people like and support might be quite enlightening!

Complain to the school and the council environmental / health team. As they're commercial vehicles you can also report them to the Driver and Vehicle Standards Agency (DVSA): https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/driver-and-vehicle-standards-agency It's a common problem - one driver a little while ago said "oh it's OK, the pollution just blows away". Those coaches have been an absolute bane of the area for years - yes I get that it stops a thousand cars or whatever but they're a law unto themselves. And the school won't even consider options like having a pull-in on their land to get them off the road and they don't seem bothered about enforcing the No Idling signs.

https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/we-must-separate-art-from-artist-in-singing-of-nazi-gas-chamber-songs-says-farage-20251125262249 Surprisingly, one of the more reliable sources of news. Better than the Farage Channel GB News anyway! 😉

Can we just make this a standard automatic response?!

Oh please don't go down that "give others a bad name" nonsense. Cyclists are not some identikit tribe. There is no collective responsibility. What one cyclist does or does not do has no bearing on any other cyclist anywhere else. The only time I might accept that definition is on a group club ride although even then it's tenuous at best. What you're doing is a form of outgrouping leading to the over-generalisation of negative behaviours or attributes. Same way that one driver on a mobile phone doesn't give all other drivers a bad name. Same way that Harold Shipman didn't give all GPs a bad name.

I'm quite surprised at that since Cyclist is normally fairly reputable. It's largely bollocks. The Highway Code is not law - it references law in an easy-to-understand manner and it contains guidance ("you should / should not...") and simplified law ("you MUST / MUST NOT...") You're not breaching a RULE. You're "breaching" guidance and since you can't really breach guidance, any such challenge would be thrown out. Not that it matters as such, drivers have been successfully claiming not to have seen the cyclist that they ran over for years, quite often escaping with pathetically light or even zero sentence. This was a fairly recent one which I remember cos it was reported on various cycle sport pages: https://www.thetfordandbrandontimes.co.uk/news/25511711.norfolk-driver-spared-jail-cyclist-killed-a11/ Pleased guilty to causing death by careless driving (phone use). Cyclist taking part in an organised event (so there were signs and marshals), was wearing a bright coloured top and had a flashing rear light (and it was daylight). He drove straight into the back of her cos he was using his phone. Suspended sentence and a short driving ban. Strangely, you're outraged when this sort of technicality is used in a cyclist / pedestrian case (you keep quoting the Regent's Park incident for example) but in a cyclist / vehicle one, you're ever so keen to blame the cyclist. Tell me, has any cyclist anywhere ever behaved / dressed / acted in a manner that you deem appropriate? For someone who claims to cycle, you're forever on here arguing technicalities and telling multiple anecdotes of how you've seen a cyclist doing / not doing something which they shouldn't / should (delete as applicable). Edit: what that case shows very clearly it it rarely matters how visible a cyclist is (and I made this point in an earlier post). If the driver is using a phone, having an argument, not concentrating, tired etc it doesn't matter if the cyclist is wearing a fluoro unicorn costume or is dressed in all black.

Don't worry, he's only ever indirectly racially abused people and he's never done it in a hurtful or insulting way. It's very difficult to know isn't it? I mean, is the racist man known primarily for being a racist actually a racist if he says racism is funny? Gosh, tricky one... Bit like that joke where the footballer calls the ref a **** and gets booked for it. Footballer is annoyed at this and says "well, what if I think it?" Ref says "well I can't stop you thinking can I?" Footballer says "cool, in that case, I think you're a ****" 😉

Well I didn't see them so I have no idea. But more bluntly - if they felt it was safer to ride like that (maybe they were discussing something, maybe to ride single file would have encouraged dangerous "squeezing past", maybe the rearmost rider would have been unable to safely see hazards ahead) then they are allowed to do so and your feelings or opinions don't really come into it. I notice that you don't come on here when there's a traffic jam of a hundred drivers all in single occupancy vehicles, all doing 10mph along that road? Strange. It's not anti-car to point that out. It's highlighting your motornormative attitude. Cars - all normal, proper people drive cars, carry on. Bloody hell, someone is cycling along next to someone else! I shall get onto the ED Forum immediately!

And as I pointed out earlier, what would you have said if it was a horse (approximately the same width as 2 cyclists side by side). What about if it was someone riding a mobility scooter, perhaps desperately searching for the next section of dropped kerb to get up? What if it was someone pushing a broken down vehicle? If they feel it's safer to ride side by side they are perfectly allowed to. Somewhere on this thread (or was it one of the many many other threads where it's apparent that no cyclist anywhere has ever behaved in a manner that everyone feels is "appropriate"...?) I also pointed out that to overtake a cyclist, you have to give 1.5m: That means that to overtake someone along most sections of the South Circular in / around the Dulwich area, you need to be pulling mostly into the opposite lane. Therefore, there needs to be zero oncoming traffic in the time for you to complete your overtake. Therefore if you can put half a wheel into the opposite lane, you can put the whole car there. I don't really see why this is so difficult for you to understand. It's also possible that the cyclists have looked at the road ahead, at the traffic conditions, the road width, the junction / lights / obstacles ahead and deliberately taken the lane to prevent some idiot overtaking only to then slam the brakes on 20m in front of them. I quite often have to think for drivers because most just go "cyclist! I MUST overtake immediately! MUST. GET. IN. FRONT!!!" without actually considering that 20m up the road is a red light or the arse end of yet another traffic jam. Maybe for one to ride behind the other, his / her view of potholes, traffic etc would have been bscured therefore it's safer to ride side by side at least for a few seconds. Maybe you could have a go at all those single drivers who insist on driving along two-abreast as well. All the road space they take up! SO entitled...

I don't think anyone has said or even implied that. There are idiots in all walks of life - idiot pedestrians who'll step into the road, their gaze fixed on their phone. Idiot cyclists with no lights. Idiot drivers who speed or drive under the influence. No-one is denying or excusing any of that. The point being made is that it doesn't really matter if the driver in this instance is a serial criminal escaping the police with the proceeds of their crime or a nun driving a disabled orphan to the daycare centre, the OUTCOME is the same. A crashed car, a lot of mess and a dead or injured person (usually not the driver). Death doesn't really care about who was behind the wheel, it doesn't help to minimise it by going "oh well the guy was a robber, what do you expect?!"

I would report that to the police as attempted robbery. Sure, they won't catch who did it but enough reports of that nature do at least allow them to build a picture of crime hotspots. It doesn't sound like some cyclist not paying attention, it sounds exactly like someone has seen you using a phone and made an attempt at a snatch and go. Glad you're OK.

My God, wait until you hear about all those 2-abreast drivers! Even when they go out alone, they take an armchair and a sofa with them! How entitled of them! 😉

What do you think those same drivers would have done if it was a horse rider - perhaps someone coming from riding their horse around the park? Or even a police horse & rider? Takes up about the same amount of space as a cyclist or two. Willing to bet that the levels of consideration from said drivers to the obstruction in question would have been considerably higher... Just saying. It's genuinely fascinating how drivers will at towards different "obstructions" (for "obstruction" read: legitimate road user not doing the speed that the driver behind wants). Horse rider: driver passes slowly and carefully, literally climbing the kerb on the opposite side of the road. Mobility scooter: might grumble a bit but basically does the same, passing wide and carefully. Tractor: definitely going to grumble but they've got no choice. Cyclist: BEEEEEEPPPPP!!! GET OUT OF THE WAY YOU NON TAX PAYING LYCRA LOUT!!!! Edit: what's also fascinating is how this thread started as a complaint about cyclists dressed in all black, being invisible, coming out of nowhere etc. Seems that everyone on here is more than capable of identifying a cyclist at half a mile - not only identifying them but able to tell what jersey they're wearing, what type of bike they're on, what speed they're going (it's never "just about the right speed", it's always either far too fast and a danger to everyone or far too slow and holding everyone up - sometimes both speeds at the same time), what clothing they had on (especially whether or not they were wearing a helmet) and how they were riding. I'd suggest from all that, there's no issue at all with cyclist visibility!