Abe_froeman

This constant hyperbole does your credibility no good at all, ex-ED.

It's also wrong to say that just because a journey is less than 5km it should not be made by car. Just today someone on here has asked how to recycle a large volume of cardboard. They have three options - 1) go by car to the recelying centre 4km away 2) put what they can in their domestic recycling and burn the rest on a bonfire 3) pay the council ?16 to collect it. The least attractive is the most expensive but the council have put us in this position.

A privelege they have to pay at least ?30 a day for ...

At the very least I think Southwark need to urgently reopen Melbourne Grove North and Calton Avenue. Both are key through routes and both are mixed use with a combination of commercial and residential property on (indeed, Calton Avenue used to even have a massive car sales room FFS!)

James I have a query on the road closures. When the second lockdown comes and people stop using their cars to travel to work etc, will the council discount traffic monitoring during that period to avoid ending up with farcical results for the success of failure of the current closures? I am only concerned because of the severe confusion about whether or not the council exploited the low traffic figures during road works on dulwich village to justify the mess we are in now.

"My 8year old daughter was left coughing and choking for about 1 minute after a Land Rover with terrible exhaust fumes drove along Calton Avenue this morning as she cycled to school. And in turn, this was just after cycling up Hillsboro Road in a fog of disgusting white pollution from a car spewing noxious fumes. Even now - 2hrs on, I'm still coughing from this." Such a shame that even though they have closed Calton Avenue it has had no effect on pollution eh. Anyway, it sounds like both you and your daughter have incredibly serious lung conditions if you were this badly affected. I would be seriously concerned if I were you and would book an appointment to see a doctor as soon as possible, but in the meantime I think you should invest in a pair of gas masks to prevent either of you coming to any further harm.

That's an interesting point first mate. Wasnt it also a condition of the planning consent that the m and s delivery lorries arrived from Melbourne Grove? That must be almost impossible for them now.

Yes it's bad news for Nunhead Green and ally he little shops there. Traffic was already bad but it will now also have to absorb all traffic coming from Peckham to East Dulwich Road. I suspect this will also back up traffic on Consort Road making the 37 bus even more unusable than it currently is.

Even if that study were bullet proof the favoured statistic that keeps being churned out means that in half of all LTNs traffic evaporation was less than 10.9 % So there's a fifty fifty chance than more than 90% of all the traffic previously using closed roads is simply displaced onto other roads. As we see so obviously on Lordship Lane and East Dulwich Grove. Those comments above from cyclists about the additional pollution suffered by schoolchildren being a necessary evil are absolutely appalling. No wonder they find it so hard to bring non-cyclists with them when they promote such monstrous ideas.

They are affected too ruffers... Buyers sitting in the agent's car in traffic trying to get to the appointment, hearing car horns etc. It's a very bad look all round.

If that's right then we should crowd find some judicial review against these closures too.

A local estate agent told me this week that the LTN traffic issues are now also absolutely killing house prices across the area. Buyers just don't want to live in an area with traffic jams running through the heart of it and won't pay over the odds as a result.

Assuming you have not had any discussions with the council over these current road closures then James?

Couldn't agree more. Ours are very efficient and hard working and have done a fantastic job this year. The workload must have increased enormously with everyone being at home the whole time and they have just got on with it.

Wasn't the ?5 a ticket model how Peckhamplex operated until it too closed a couple of weeks ago? I think a large proportion of the public are now completely petrified of doing things like going to the cinema. They have been scared witless by the government and the mayor that they will die if they leave the house. Even showing old classics to a cinema with 2 guests inside is not a viable way to do business.

I agree with all of that rockets. Is there anyway to see the arguments that Southwark Cyclists put forward and which the council have adopted?

We should start a new petition about the proposed changes to Peckham Rye that will also have a terrible impact on our community. That one will have to run for three months and I am sure we could get 5.000 signature this time.

A lot of reviews of Tenet were terrible too so it woukd be a shame if it's that particular movie that has killed the cinema for ever

They are still breathing in far less and far safer fumes than we ever di, even with these ridiculous schemes backing up traffic all over the place.

Why is tfl building houses?? It's supposed to be running trains!!

On that 89%, presumably that is only 89% of people who woukd have driven down the closed roads still making their journey. That IS, it doesn't take account of people who weren't going to drive down those roads anyway. So or example Dulwich Village from Calton Avenue carries all of the traffic that it woukd have before plus 89% of the traffic that wpuld have gone down calton avenue, and 89% of traffic that would have gone down court lane, and soon 89% of the traffic thst would have used burbage road. Is that right?

If a councillor was frank enough to admit that then I would probably vote for them again to be fair!!

Metallic, we had it on here that emergency services would be consulted: " ed_pete June 06, 12:49PM "But, isn?t it a coincidence that many of the measures they wanted to implement long, long before Covid just happen to somehow be exactly the right ?Fix? for the current situation?" Spot on. This is opportunism of the worse kind dressed up as listening to concerned residents. The 70% number is meaningless and shouldn't be quoted as justification unless it was achieved fairly and can be thoroughly audited. I presume the emergency services are OK with this btw." Posted by jamesmcash June 06, 03:53PM ed_pete Yes emergency services need to be consulted before any measures like this are put in." And: Posted by first mate June 25, 08:01AM James, Is MG having planters as well as concrete bollards now or just the former? Are the planters easily moved for emergency vehicle access? Planters Posted by jamesmcash June 30, 11:46AM first_mate - not sure of details re emergency services, but as I said before these things do have to be agreed with them" So you would think it safe to take this as confirmation that the council had consulted and agreed all these measures with emergency services in advance.

Found a fares finder on TFL's site which say ?3.10 peak and ?2,60 off peak using oyster or contactless... The ?3,70 must be for a paper ticket

hi James Do you know why the council have consulted with so-called "Southwark Cyclists" on low traffic neighbourhoods, but haven't bothered to consult us, the people who live on the affected streets and who voted you in to represent us? many thanks