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Closing roads etc. Just saw this www.onedulwich.uk .

I saw an email from one of the councillors that said 55% want the junction closed. If thats true half the people want it closed, and the other half doesn't. Brexit all over again. You'd thnk we'd learn.

Interesting. I went to 2 of the meetings and remember all the talk about the big increase in traffic.

My feeling is the consultation should be paused - theres too much going on for anyone to be thinking about this right now. But someone told me Southwark is sticking to the March 29th deadline. Anyone know for a fact?

Just a reminder... 29 March is the deadline https://consultations.southwark.gov.uk/environment-leisure/our-healthy-streets-dulwich-phase-3/

Final meeting tomorrow 4 March 6.30 - 9 at JAGS East Dulwich Grove. Last chance to ask questions eg how much do permits cost, who gets them, where will all the traffic go, will it slow down the buses, etc, etc.

kiera Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I've always understood that, historically, the > residents of Dulwich Village resisted the > introduction of public transport into the Village > & that that is why they only have one little > single decker bus. The story I heard was that it was the Dulwich Estate that didn't want buses years ago. I dont think anyone knows. Not sure it matters either. The truth is we need better public transport to get people out of their cars.

Saw this from Clean Air Dulwich https://twitter.com/i/status/1220453205718511616

Comments still coming in. Objections based on pollution and air quality. https://planning.southwark.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=neighbourComments&keyVal=PYNGQHKBIKR00&neighbourCommentsPager.page=1

Objections still coming in https://planning.southwark.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?keyVal=PYNGQHKBIKR00&activeTab=summary I wonder if the council will listen.

Its all the local kids trying to walk to school I worry about. Theres enough bad driving as it is without more cars.

Theres a planning application in to make Alleyns Junior School bigger. reference number 19/AP/5616 online now - https://planning.southwark.gov.uk. You can comment. So far objections because more cars, more traffic , more pollution.

rendelharris Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Could you clarify what the trip hazard is? That > there are kerbs which people might trip over? > Kerbs have been around for quite a while, people > generally cope with them... No mate, nothing to do with kerbs. To stop people walking straight across, because they want you to wait in the middle, they've made an edge higher than the pavement to make a barrier. But if you don't know about them you could keep walking, and trip over them into the traffic. Lethal, especially for kids. Go and have a look.

I had a chat with the lollypop lady this week, and she said there used to be a lot of cyclists, but they're not using it at the moment. She said pedestrians can't cross the bottom of Court Lane because the island isn't there anymore. She doesn't know why they took it away. More cars are going through than before, but drivers still dont know who has right of way, so there are horns blaring all the time. My take is that its better for cars, and may be better for cyclists, but worse for pedestrians. I don't like the trip hazard of the raised edge on the staggered crossing.

uncleglen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Asset Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > As far away as Kensington and Canary Wharf... > > How about having schools that serve their > > communities instead of egos and purses oh > sorry > > silly me, that's another whole argument. > > hahahhahahahahahahaha > Yes you may well laugh- what's it got to do with > YOU how I spend my money- I don't travel and I > don't have a flashy house or car.... > > I chose Alleyn's for my kids because it was the > nearest school and I did not want them to get > assaulted and robbed on the way back from other > schools- where the pupils did not hesitate to > attack one of my kids when he was in PRIMARY > school. Also I wanted them to receive a good > education, not one where the headteacher of a > popular school at the time thought that it was a > good thing to offer Turkish GCSE. That was way > back in the late 1980s. > Anyway the coaches were coming to Townley Road > then as well but because of the massive explosion > in house conversions, CPZs around the stations and > general increase in traffic there were few > complaints. > If it wasn't for the Foundation the conservation > area would look like as bad as ED The issue is that too many coaches are parked up on double yellow lines with their engines running. Dangerous for kids, dangerous for pedestrians, dangerous for cyclists.

Is there a phone number for the Parking Services Manager at Southwark?

edhistory Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The Junior School are said to be good at > arithmetic. > > Here's a puzzle: > > How many coaches could fit on the school drive? But Alleyns don't want them on the drive, do they? I heard they thought it would spoil the look of the school.

I went into Alleyns to tell them about coach drivers parked on double yellows. They said it was a public highway and couldn't do anything about it. I told the Foundation Coaches. They said thanks because they couldn't keep watch the whole time and needed people to tell them about bad parking. They said the same thing the next time. I gave up after that.

https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/dulwich-village-junction-alternative Up to 95%. Should make Southwark listen.

I don't know all the detail about what could be done, but theres an update on the Just Giving page and they're up to 75% of what they need for the expert study. So it looks like its something people want.

https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/dulwich-village-junction-alternative

Thanks intexasatthemoment

Its at www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/dulwich-village-junction-alternative. They're up to ?2000 Can't see how you make it so that you click it and go straight through.

There's a new crowd funding page started up at Just Giving for a better junction for Quietway cyclists and pedestrians. (The same Quietway running down Champion Hill through Townley Road junction.) The story is (taken from the JustGiving page) - Southwark Council's plans for a 'Quietway' for less confident cyclists through Dulwich Village include a new design for the junction. But this new design: * doesn't put pedestrian safety first * doesn't help less confident cyclists * will increase traffic queues and rat-running * sets pedestrians, cyclists and motorists against each other by making them race for the lights * should be trialled before any expensive construction takes place This junction has two schools with primary-aged children. Hundreds of children walk and cycle through it every day. Two-thirds of locals have already objected to Southwark's design in a public consultation. We want a better design. We want Southwark Council and TfL to look at an alternative - a design based on a low-speed environment and continuous traffic flow that suits the middle of Dulwich Village with its schools and shops. We need to raise ?4,000 for the first part of a feasibility study by traffic experts to persuade Southwark Council and TfL to look at an alternative design. If 400 people gave ?10 each, we would reach our target within days. If we do nothing, Southwark and TfL will stick with the design that the local community has rejected, and start building it next summer. Please go to http://www.dulwichvillageforum.org.uk for more information.

I'm going to move this to a new thread - they've got over half the money now, so it's getting local support.