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Don't know if you've seen this www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/dulwich-village-junction-alternative They want Southwark to come up with a design that's better for cyclists and pedestrians. Might be worth a look.

Just found this on Southwark's website. Three items right at the bottom http://www.southwark.gov.uk/downloads/200431/street_improvements

Curmudgeon Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I don't understand what has changed apart from the > diagonal pedestrian crossing and a bugger of a > left hand turn that makes it more dangerous for > cyclists rather than less unless they are supposed > to go on the pavement to go left > > The school kids aren't even using the diagonal > crossing as far as I can see Agree.

I can't help wondering whether the whole Townley Road junction scheme was about providing a diagonal crossing between JAGS and Alleyns. Nothing to do with cycling at all. If anything, the new layout looks more dangerous for cyclists than before. Is this what TfL wanted - to spend a quarter of a million on a slightly quicker crossing?

It will probably follow the traditional Southwark roadworks pattern - do it wrong, rip it up, and try again...

So do we start by talking to Helen Hayes?

@ woodwarde. Thanks for this. So most of the new features that were meant to make the junction safer for cyclists and pedestrians have now disappeared. This can't be right. Not when you're talking about safety.

@woodwarde Just looked again at page 16 the plan https://www.southwark.gov.uk/downloads/download/25. Are ANY of the cycling features still there? Does TfL know how their quarter of a million is being spent?

@Qwe @Penguin68 @DulvilleRes So do we have a good lawyer locally who can get this started?

So when should it be? After summer holidays when everyone's back. Private schools start 3 September. How about 8am Friday 4 September? The Estate office is on Gallery Road. We could march from S. G. Smith all the way through the village up to the Estate office with children from local schools, buggies, banners saying 'People Before Profit'? Local papers, TV, etc.

So planning permission has been granted. But that doesn't mean it's all over. The Dulwich Estate doesn't have to build it like the plans. They could put forward something better and get that approved instead. How about a good old-fashioned march with banners to get them to change their minds?

Sounds like the planning councillors just went along with what the officers said. Who runs this council? The people we elect or the officers sitting in Tooley Street?

Was there a Grand Master Plan linking this new Quietway consultation with the Townley Road junction? Or have they just been making it up as they go along? I think I might start objecting to plans for the Dulwich Village junction. I've got no idea what Southwark is going to come up with or when they're going to start the consultation. But since they're not really interested in what residents think, and they're going to forget to ask me until it's too late, it's probably worth protesting now.

Am I missing something? Southwark's not going to bother with the legal process of asking for objections until they're halfway through? So you go for a haircut, and he shaves half your head, and you say, hang on a minute, that's not what we agreed, and he says, well I've started now so I might as well finish it. What are you going to do? Ask him to stick the hair back on?

So the council isn't following the correct legal process? Are we happy with that?

Has anyone seen any of those notices tied to lampposts? Have I missed them? I thought that had to happen before work began.

The land is owned by Dulwich Estate and leased from the Estate by the garage. They are working together to get planning permission from Southwark for a development that will make them both millions. So it's not up to the council, or local residents, what kind of housing gets built. That's my understanding of it anyway.

The odd crumb thrown out from Tooley Street Towers...

Me too Errol ... That first consultation leaflet on the Townley Rd junction didn't reach everyone it was supposed to go to...

There was once an award-winning council That thought it was king of the castle It stopped the plan For the right turn ban And instead brought the cars to a standstill

The final report can be read here http://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/documents/s53066/Report.pdf Third point in the Recommendations is; Notes that levels of opposition and response rates were significantly reduced from the previous consultation. IMHO, it's all relative. Normally you get about three people responding to anything. First consultation, 722 responses. The reconsultation had 406 responses. That's still a lot of people. Even more important, A MAJORITY 51% of local people objected. So much for listening to the community.

@BrandNewGuy So we could have a simpler, cheaper plan that makes the junction safer, and forget the TfL cash altogether?

Thanks, Robin. Good there's another way of funding it. Why didn't the council try to find out what people would support before they put forward the latest option? What a mess.

Hello, James. I've asked this question on the Townley Road junction thread, but no one has an answer yet. If I fill in my response online saying no to the option they want, but yes to option 10, and a lot of other people do that too, and the Council planners think, OK, maybe that's a good idea, maybe we should go with option 10 after all, do they have to do another consultation. A re-re-consultation?

Still want to know if the council has to do a 3rd consultation if they change the details of the plan. Any councillors on here know the answer?