Fair point Mark, I agree that people do seem to use this entire site (certainly not just this thread!) as a venting block rather than actually discussing opinions/options/news etc... If you can tell me these friendly venues though I'd be delighted to try them as I've never found the EDT or the Bishop to be overly hospitable. Actually, the most friendly place I've been around here since I moved here this time last year is the cafe next to the Palmerston!!!