Mark Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I thought that shops owned about 3 1/2 feet into > the pavement (that's what those brass studs in the > pavement are marking), if you keep in that area I > would have thought you were classed as being on > the Garden Centre's property? Although there may > of course be a piece of paper somewhere that says > something which means you're not allowed to. That's what we were led to believe, too... As we learnt today, the brass studs indicate a shop's frontage, but the shop would still need permission from Southwark Council to allow anyone else to use it for trading. Southwark Council are currently pursuing a policy of clearing the streets - removing street furniture etc - so any business deemed to be an "obstruction" has no chance of being given a licence. A coffee van, however small, and however much of a service it provided to locals, fits into this category. The other issue is that the Garden Centre doesn't actually own the land. Southern Railways lease it to them. Apart from it being a violation of their lease to sub-let it, Southern Railways are currently in dicussion with someone to put a kiosk at East Dulwich station (you heard it here first)(no, I have no idea where it'll be placed) and they wouldn't allow a direct competitor so close. Both Southwark Council and Southern Railways came back and offered us alternative pitches today, which was amazing. Neither is in East Dulwich, but we're looking into them and hope to be up and trading not too far away soon.