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St. Francis park is (mis)managed by Sainsbury's, I think, not the council.

Good stuff. Does the DKH stadium and its facilities meet the requirements of the league DH have been promoted to?

Queenmab wrote: "Nooooo. One of the reasons I used to like East Dulwich when I lived in Herne Hill was because it was easy to get to and park briefly for shopping or lunch etc." I'm assuming you are able-bodied, Mab, but you were in the habit of driving from HH to ED? Really? Surely this is the sort of car use that most agree we should be trying to discourage. 37 bus? Walking?

Rendell H wrote Not doubting your veracity, but I live on Copleston less than a hundred yards from that junction, and I walk, cycle and occasionally ride the bus through it many, many times a week at peak and off-peak times and I've noticed none of this at all. Well, you are doubting my veracity, really. Aren't you, Rendell? I must be quite unlucky, then. About 6ish on a weekday can be pretty chaotic. Are you doubting the increase in traffic on those roads since CG has been shut? Alex-b. Yes, I agree, it would be good if traffic could somehow be kept to main roads (let's not forget people live on main roads as well, though) but the main roads needs to be viable ways of getting places. Sometimes they aren't. Keeping with CG as an example; if someone has driven from the Oval and wants to visit Rendel, the 'main road' route would involve a right turn at camberwell green (prohibited), and then 9(?) sets of lights before turning into Copleston. Or you could go over camberwell green, turn right up CG and encounter 1 set of lights on your over the top and down the other side. I agree about the streets between bellenden and east dulwich road, completely stupid some days and you might be right about phone apps/sat navs. Sally (at 2.43). As a part time cyclist I agree with most of that but some cyclists do go the quickest route - check out greendale path some time.

More or less what Dulwich Londoner says above. Since Camberwell Grove has been shut a lot of traffic has been displaced to Avondale/Bellenden/Choumert/Danby/Copleston. This has resulted in the Avondale/Copleston crossroads being really quite dangerous at certain times of the day. Traffic jams, arguments, car horns, P13 buses blocking part of the junction because car drivers tend not to cede to them as they wait to get down Avondale. Absolute loss of sightlines for pedestrians, cyclists, kids, dog walkers - anyone really. Plenty of pollution. And many drivers, venting frustration, once able to, speed off down adjoining streets at dangerous speeds. So, while some are having a lovely time tootling up and down CG many others (cyclists included) are at the risk of injury and generally tolerating a shitty atmosphere just round the corner. The traffic light situation at CG was, I think, pretty good at managing traffic. I know it was set up to limit the weight on the bridge but it also slowed traffic down and installed an element of doubt that it would definitely be a quicker route to drive. BTW, Sally, cyclists 'rat-run', too if all that term can be held to mean is to take the straightest route.

any way it could be the lost dog Iris? http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?31,1921998

I've never used them or visited, myself but has anyone been to http://remakery.org/about/ in camberwell/brixton they might have something on offer.

From how Meadow are regarding what they view as 'their property' I am assuming this is the building line they would have adopted in reality if people would have swallowed the utter bollocks they proposed about a 'linear park'in their planning application to keep Greendale connected to St. Francis.

Self and Mrs AP would use it.

To be clear, Legacy are a property development company co-owned by Rio Ferdinand. Who knows if they are 'predatory' but I don't think this is Rio as an altruistic good-guy individual wanting to bail out the club.

Thanks Griff. I thought it might be something along those lines.

Hello can any of the football followers shine a light on why some of the ground has been fenced off? Large wooden hoardings where the car wash people used to park up in their campers and a long run of metal security fencing in the road behind the smaller stand.

At any point in time half the P13 fleet is stuck somewhere on Avondale Rise. It's a fact, I tell you.

Have a look at this link...could it be same dog? http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?31,1894814

?3 or ?4 per working day to park as a business expense is very small. The builders should easily be able to bear it or if the resident is paying it is a tiny proportion of an extension cost. This is a business going on with the expectation of the publicly-maintained realm being available as a free facility. If the materials are being delivered at the beginning of the job and with people like screwfix doing same day delivery for all the forgotten odds and ends what do the builders need a van for? Perhaps they could come by public transport? Slightly devil's advocate-y, I know, but there are other ways of looking at it.

DL if there is usable paint in the tins then why not list them on 'for sale/free'? They might be just what someone wants for a little bit of DIY and you get shot of for free. Bingo.

Quite often see a rat or two scuttling around in and around st. francis park - normally on the sainsburys side. Saw two the other morning and a much less scuttly dead one about a week ago.

"Camberwell Gove being closed in the middle has made it much more attractive and pleasant to cycle along - or at least it has for me when I'm huffing and puffing southbound homeward bound along it." Which is lovely, James. In the meantime cyclists, pedestrians, and residents along Chadwick, Bellenden, Avondale, and other roads are tolerating 2000-3000 extra cars per day.The bridge being shut might be nice for the (relatively) few who live there but it is no answer to traffic reduction for the many who live around it. Any coherent traffic reduction for the area would have to take account of a mesh of similarly-sized streets bounded by Camberwell New Road - Denmark Hill/Grove Vale - East Dulwich Road - Rye Lane; quite a large area. Ironically, Camberwell Grove is one of the roads in that whole block that looks most like a through route on a map, ie, straight. A couple of weeks ago Mrs Almost Peckham and me were walking down Camberwell Grove. An ambulance with lights flashing passed us, a minute or two later it passed us again on its way back up the hill. Five minutes later we saw the same ambulance lower down CG coming up from Camberwell then turning into McNeil Road. Hopefully those lost five minutes weren't critical.

And there, in a nutshell, is one of the reasons I have to travel to Woolwich to be able to carry on my work and in the process contribute to the pollution problem. Any light industrial property, or anything potentially usable by a small business is worth more as a residential development. I used to be able to work within walking/cycling distance of home. Now I can't, I drive. I'm not really moaning (well, I am actually) but anyone who doubts that London would benefit from some sort of zoning that enables all sorts of trades and professions to operate within its bounds (not just those most able to pay) should go and stand on Blackheath at 07.30 any weekday and watch the thousands of vans and trucks clogging up and smogging up the A2/A20 corridor on their way into London. Some of them most likely on their way to 'doing up' an industrial building.

Avondale Rise has definitely been busier since the bridge was shut. It can get a bit fractious sometimes if the P13 is squeezing its way up or down. The crossroads with Copleston can get a dangerous for pedestrians in the rush hours. I guess this is one of the 'longer' diversions to avoid Camberwell Grove entirely as a roughly north-south route. It really does need to be re-opened; streets are neither the property of, nor the private indulgence of, those who choose to live on them. What about one of those temporary bridge decks that would sit over the existing road? One of those kind of military things?

90 minutes! I feel compelled to chip in as I get to Woolwich in 30 (ok not quite Belvedere) when I have to go. Not sure where you are starting from but go through Nunhead then right into Gellatly road on the sharp bend, round to Brockley cross then over to Wickham road, left, then cross over lewisham way. Down friendly street (aah, nice) left at the bottom (there is always traffic here)and turn right at Deptford bridge. Up on to blackheath then fork left into charlton way to the royal standard. Go towards charlton over the tunnel approach then left down victoria way and right out onto to the woolwich road. Ok its a bit all over the place but it works and from deptford its all against the commuter flow.