Shirley1979

The man was 22 died he got hit by a car them a bus devastated to have seen this left a very upsetting side to me now seeing him lying under the bus x

Can't get the images out of my head not sure to avoid the area for now as too upsetting or lay flowers for comfort x

Applespider thank you I never saw enough to give evidence as was on the bus behind the one he got run over by as missed the one that actually killed him I told them at the scene what I saw and the driver of both car and bus were there too and a few other witnesses ..but I agree the image is stuck there ..think where I saw he's body and hand and new instantly he as dead ..saddened me to think of him of his last few minutes off life , last conversation, last words, journey I work in a hospice so use to seeing people pass but where its in a loving and comfortable enviroment with family and friends and end of life makes it more comforting but to know he died alone on the wet cold floor ..devastates me ..I am just in shock and very very upset the family will be devastated ..knwoing he died that way and alone just by crossing the road quickly I think he may have come out of the station and saw the 176 and ran for it the car hit him first and the impact made him go to the other side of the road where the bus went over him just awfull really awfull made me think so much ...x

Thank you @ Pickle to be honest I am in tears ...Really upsetting to know this happened at traffic lights that were green at the time ..the driver of both the car and bus were in shock..people were crying ..as it as so tragic to have had he's last journey run across the road to get hit by both a car then runover by a bus ...he lay there under the bus just past the wheels and he's hand was facing upwards...Just sooo soooo sad ..tragic a split decision that ended he's life ...I will never ever forget that image in my head :'(

I am in shock just witnessed this poor mans last minutes of he's life I missed a 176 bus so got the 185 ...and this man ran out of the station to catch the bus I missed infront of my bus and a car hit him and he rolled in front of the bus and the bus went over his body ..we all got of the bus and within minutes there was crowds of people and 5 police cars , 4 ambulances they were taping up the area I bent down and looked under the bus and saw the man laying there under the wheels he's hand stayed upwards they covered the scence but we saw them lift the bus and put him straight onto a strecther ...into the ambulance he wasnt moving at the way they did it so quick as usally they need to move them carefully tells me hes dead I was crying my eyes out a split second he was apparently on the train ran for the bus ...didnt even no that would be hes last journey if hes dead with he defo 99% is ..I will never ever forget the hand and seeing him scarred me ... Just seen confirmation he's defo dead sooo upsetting

I just had to witness the death of this poor pedestriasn soooo sad I missed a 176 bus so got the 185 ...and this man ran out of the station to catch the bus I missed infront of my bus and a car hit him and he rolled in front of the bus and the bus went over his body ..we all got of the bus and within minutes there was crowds of people and 5 police cars , 4 ambulances they were taping up the area I bent down and looked under the bus and saw the man laying there under the wheels he's hand stayed upwards they covered the scence but we saw them lift the bus and put him straight onto a strecther ...into the ambulance he wasnt moving at the way they did it so quick as usally they need to move them carefully tells me hes dead I was crying my eyes out a split second he was apparently on the train ran for the bus ...didnt even no that would be hes last journey if hes dead with he defo 99% is ..I will never ever forget the hand and seeing him scarred me ...Just seen now its confirmed he died at the scene :'(

@ kdsd77 You are more than welcome , I just felt it needed to be said from someone who lives also within the same part of the building and knows both you and the family personally, Its ok for people to have an opinion we are all human and allowed to express our feelings and emotions , I feel that at this time ..Its unfortunate of the circumstances but only fair to say that he is now at peace and those effected by the loss can continue to recover from all the distress and upset including for his family members, I am so proud of the Estate we live on, its so welcoming and friendly yet so reserved and private, And it can only show that when a neighbour is in need of a neighbour and that neighbour is aware ..its only communal we try to help..Unfortunatly it was a little to late for Mr Williams ..I am happy that you feel the appreciation towards yourself and your lovely family & in all honesty think you acted as you did to seek the help and advice you did ..Proud that you have spoke out about how you feel Karen xxxxx

@ Robert Poste's Child I cannot thank you enough for your comforting message as sites like these and other forums and youtube can sometimes encourage unwanted comments of some who delibritly come onto them to cause a scene, where as that's not what the aims of the forums are set up for, I think its absolutley great that there are such forums where we have a voice,a say and an opinion, And each will all have either the same or a different view, I really hope that you do not continue to feel or carry the guilt @ Robert Poste's Child As even when we are familiar with people ...We cannot save the world...Family members , friends, or the public should not feel guilt from a loss of someone who has passed due to medical reasons or natural causes,You never took her life , or destroyed her families life by robbing her of her life they say when its suppose to happen it will, sometimes in some cases lives can be saved and sometimes they cant we have a balance of fortunate and unfortunate...There's 2 sides to a set of weighing scales and only god chooses which side becomes the heavier side and when so I do hope that you can overcome the burden of feeling like somewhat you are at fault ..Especially when you have no medical experience or know how to prevent the symtoms even medics can't save everyone...The same with Karen Davy My neighbour, I thank you for your voice and yes its a very private estate with private people who tend to not breath in everyones space yet can be polite and friendly in open spaces surrounding where we live, I just think that in cases like this ..Is only fair we support those in distress including Karen and Her family and Including Mr Richard Williams and he's family and all those effected by he's passing ..Not increase the stress further, The importaint thing is that Mr Williams will now be abled to be laid to Rest in Peace and that eventually both he's family and Mrs Davey's family can in time move forward and be able to realise that this is a very sad sad story and case of a wonderful man who had a lonely death but there is no blame only anger ...The main thing is ..The story should be focused on wishing him peace not on Mrs Davy's motives or actions as like you stated above..Some of what we read is not the same as what we hear...I hope both families can now continue to move forward in their own ways ..And remember that Mrs Davy is not after a reward or compensation ..What she also did was very brave and upsetting and YES she hadn't realised sooner but that does not make her responsible ..I thank everyone for there comments and responses and understanding...Like also stated above it would be nice for neighbours to look out for one another including those effected by things that happen in the homes they reside in...These are the times people should come together ..And support one another..Another Angel was gained in heaven and may he RIP ..

Apologies for the double post..As it stated error on my 1st post and when I re-sent 2 had appeared I do apoogies to all ...xxx

Agreed ..Karen I am also a resident who lives a few doors away from Karen and her family And Also Richard Williams who sadly passed away in the circumstance he did, I know Karen Personally from living within the same estate and both herself and the family are very respectful and lovely and to be fair , When I read the article YES agreed it did seem as though the story seemed based on the horror of her family home being infested by Maggots that came from the flat above , And Yes it felt as though Richard and he's passing had been dismissed via the article and that in fact the main story was in regards to Mrs Davy and her family being horrified and traumatised over the Maggots and flies , And some may judge that her story is in regards to ether a form of attention or in intentions to gain a form of compensation , I would just like to add and clarify a few things... I can assure you this is not the families intentions, their anger is in relation to the fact that , When realising something was not quite right she acted upon it , she had reported it to the Housing and was told that it was not a matter for the Housing , What she had 1st thought was a simple maggot issue due to other reasons, I mean when Maggots appear we all know that our 1st reaction is not that they are coming from a Decomposed Body or Food..We consider, Dustbins, Raw out of date foods, Flies Larva , or general Mould and Damp areas ..Its only when they are increasing and coming from the same area you feel you need to investigate further , Had she or the family suspected a death of course they would of acted on it further or taken sooner action, in all situations we don't always take the appropriate action first...I myslef also pass the area daily and never smelt or suspected anything as its not a case you hear or see everyday especially being the quiet estate we live on many are reserved and generally hardly seen so its very typical to not notice something like this sooner , YES its also a shame that neighbours are not always those who check in on one another which is sad especially in a case like this one, but I mean not disrepecting the family of Mr Williams at all but if family are sometimes unable to check on there loved ones especially knowing he had a medical issue, who are we to depend on the neighbours and the Housing to be responsible, Not everyone acts in the way they perhaps should do when they either feel something is wrong or something has been reported, having knowing he was laying there in the upsetting way he was ...Would have acted differently..I feel this is a case of the loss of a very private gentleman who was well respected and loved and sadly lost his life in the way he did...As someone stated above , he would travel across the country to be there for someone its just a shame it was not returned , we can all blame one another for some form of possibly either saving him from his death or from him being found with a less decomposed body ..We can blame the family, we can blame the neighbour/s , we can blame the housing (Not Sheltered) We can blame the Police ..The fact is this is one of those unfortunate ways to the end of someone's life , we don't all leave this world in a peaceful way...Is all I would like to add is ..The story of what's happened will either see Karen and her family as being the ones who reported it to the police and if it was not for them he still may be lying there un-found, or they may see Karen and her Family as Oppertunist ...But is all I can say is I totally see each and everyone's views as like I said ....Even knowing the family myself the story was made to seem that they were more interested in there own interest of there trauma than the death of their neighbour, but I can honestly say hand on my heart..They are a lovely family who acted as soon as they could we can't define a correct time to do things in life...They are deeply saddened by the lost of their neighbour and live with the guilt of feeling they could have done more than they did when infact they couldn't ...They are not responsible and they are not looking out for themselves they are just not those sort of family at all and anyone who knows them personally would agree, We all have to live with feeling that he laid there alone day after day night after night, we saw he's body being carried away, we saw the lonelyness of his home, we saw forensics go in and out , police at the door 24hrs a day, Karens family had Maggots in her home that fed of a human corpse above her home where she laid asleep, of course she is traumatised and upset and disgusted and angry ..Wouldn't any of us be...She tried to stress a point of the fact she is totally ashamed that she tried to raise the alarm and was alone in doing so until action was taken she couldn't contact his family and she couldn't break an entry she and her family did what they thought was best...and the main thing is ..Sadly he was found in the conditions he was, BUT he is the main focus here and Karen and family are fully aware of that, at a time like this its unfair to be critisised for the actions we take, I appreciate we all have our views and opinions and they are all welcome and heard, But lets just be blessed with the fact that Mr Williams can be laid to finally RIP .....I have not wrote this in any way to be offensive or critised I totally see everyones views ..I just feel I had to have my say and hope that we can all respect that Mr Williams was a lovely gentleman who unfortunately lost his life and will be missed by many...And Hopefully they are able to get to the bottom of how he had passed and lay him to rest peacefully ...xxxxxxx

Agreed ..Karen I am also a resident who lives a few doors away from Karen and her family And Also Richard Williams who sadly passed away in the circumstance he did, I know Karen Personally from living within the same estate and both herself and the family are very respectful and lovely and to be fair , When I read the article YES agreed it did seem as though the story seemed based on the horror of her family home being infested by Maggots that came from the flat above , And Yes it felt as though Richard and he's passing had been dismissed via the article and that in fact the main story was in regards to Mrs Davy and her family being horrified and traumatised over the Maggots and flies , And some may judge that her story is in regards to ether a form of attention or in intentions to gain a form of compensation , I would just like to add and clarify a few things... I can assure you this is not the families intentions, their anger is in relation to the fact that , When realising something was not quite right she acted upon it , she had reported it to the Housing and was told that it was not a matter for the Housing , What she had 1st thought was a simple maggot issue due to other reasons, I mean when Maggots appear we all know that our 1st reaction is not that they are coming from a Decomposed Body or Food..We consider, Dustbins, Raw out of date foods, Flies Larva , or general Mould and Damp areas ..Its only when they are increasing and coming from the same area you feel you need to investigate further , Had she or the family suspected a death of course they would of acted on it further or taken sooner action, in all situations we don't always take the appropriate action first...I myslef also pass the area daily and never smelt or suspected anything as its not a case you hear or see everyday especially being the quiet estate we live on many are reserved and generally hardly seen so its very typical to not notice something like this sooner , YES its also a shame that neighbours are not always those who check in on one another which is sad especially in a case like this one, but I mean not disrepecting the family of Mr Williams at all but if family are sometimes unable to check on there loved ones especially knowing he had a medical issue, who are we to depend on the neighbours and the Housing to be responsible, Not everyone acts in the way they perhaps should do when they either feel something is wrong or something has been reported, having knowing he was laying there in the upsetting way he was ...Would have acted differently..I feel this is a case of the loss of a very private gentleman who was well respected and loved and sadly lost his life in the way he did...As someone stated above , he would travel across the country to be there for someone its just a shame it was not returned , we can all blame one another for some form of possibly either saving him from his death or from him being found with a less decomposed body ..We can blame the family, we can blame the neighbour/s , we can blame the housing (Not Sheltered) We can blame the Police ..The fact is this is one of those unfortunate ways to the end of someone's life , we don't all leave this world in a peaceful way...Is all I would like to add is ..The story of what's happened will either see Karen and her family as being the ones who reported it to the police and if it was not for them he still may be lying there un-found, or they may see Karen and her Family as Oppertunist ...But is all I can say is I totally see each and everyone's views as like I said ....Even knowing the family myself the story was made to seem that they were more interested in there own interest of there trauma than the death of their neighbour, but I can honestly say hand on my heart..They are a lovely family who acted as soon as they could we can't define a correct time to do things in life...They are deeply saddened by the lost of their neighbour and live with the guilt of feeling they could have done more than they did when infact they couldn't ...They are not responsible and they are not looking out for themselves they are just not those sort of family at all and anyone who knows them personally would agree, We all have to live with feeling that he laid there alone day after day night after night, we saw he's body being carried away, we saw the lonelyness of his home, we saw forensics go in and out , police at the door 24hrs a day, Karens family had Maggots in her home that fed of a human corpse above her home where she laid asleep, of course she is traumatised and upset and disgusted and angry ..Wouldn't any of us be...She tried to stress a point of the fact she is totally ashamed that she tried to raise the alarm and was alone in doing so until action was taken she couldn't contact his family and she couldn't break an entry she and her family did what they thought was best...and the main thing is ..Sadly he was found in the conditions he was, BUT he is the main focus here and Karen and family are fully aware of that, at a time like this its unfair to be critisised for the actions we take, I appreciate we all have our views and opinions and they are all welcome and heard, But lets just be blessed with the fact that Mr Williams can be laid to finally RIP .....I have not wrote this in any way to be offensive or critised I totally see everyones views ..I just feel I had to have my say and hope that we can all respect that Mr Williams was a lovely gentleman who unfortunately lost his life and will be missed by many...And Hopefully they are able to get to the bottom of how he had passed and lay him to rest peacefully ...xxxxxxx Shirley xxxx