woody

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i don't know how many people have been shot outside the FHT or any other pub for that matter.....but the essential truth is that no-one should be shot outside of any pub....and no innocent civilan should be endangered by firearms either. Bullets kill and maim and can go off in all directions....and l for one don't want to be anywhere near it if l can help it. Which brings me to the point....there's clearly a change in use of the pub which has brought about a change in clientele to the FHT that is for the worse. This is now endangering locals and passers-by alike....so it's a problem that has to be sorted not by the locals to the pub, but by licensing and law enforcement authorities given its new gravity. Masquerading as a family & friendly pub/restaurant and then turning chameleon-like into a nightclub that attracts people who can best be described as gangsters ain't what l want on my doorstep.....and l wouldn't want it elsewhere either.

I guess AllForNun doesn't like to take these sorts of things too seriously......seems like there's something like a head of steam up on this issue now so l think it's about to get serious.

condition of the license granted to them....booboo2008 sent the link with the conditions....tis the pubs responsibility

I agree with your point and know that it is difficult to control noise once outsdie the premises. BUT.....the conditions of the license are no noise outside the premises after 10:30 or so. this noise is occuring at 3-4am and is violent in nature.....

and was the problem about noise during the evening or about disturbances in the middle of the night ?

quite....the conditions of the license are being violated. they clearly states that there must be no late night disturbances. the council should sort this out and not the locals....that's what we pay them for

jrussel is perhaps one of the a*seholes screaming "come over here and l'll kick the f*cking sh*t out of you" 100m away from my bedroom at a nightbus stop at 3:30 in the morning creating a bit of noise now and again is absolutely fine....until it's taken to an extreme and it impinges upon others.....having to endure it every friday & saturday night ain't my idea of occasional.... perhaps jrussel otherwise belongs to the "talk to the hand cos the face ain't listening" brigade......ORRRR....it's actually Kevin the owner in disguise

to bump-up already depressed property prices

someone with a vested interest??

the question isn't whether they have rough people or not....it's whether they have a license to offer what they do in the form of charging for entry to a public house or whether they are now some sort of nightclub. i can't remember being consulted....so if there's a lot of noise from people spilling out this weekend, l'll be sure to raise it with southwark and see if my concerns have any grounds....

We've noticed that there seems to be a significant increase in the number of people spilling out into the streets around the Forest Hill Tavern and making a LOT of noise after it closes on a Friday and Saturday night....l'm talking about 3-3:30am in a highly residential area. Last night was not so good, with a group of 8-10 people shouting and milling around on our road, with another group doing the same on Forest Hill Road at the bus stop near the pub....albeit that group seemed to be brewing-up for a fight amongst themselves or with others. Being a grumpy so-and-so if l get woken up in the middle of the night, I was wondering what people think to the fact that a nightclub seems to have sprung-up, unknowingly to me at least, wihtoutany consultation. What do other people think?

dream on....the only energy prices that have fell in recent weeks is the oil price....electricity and gas are still on the up....and oil may well rise significantly again as we approach winter. the real issue here isn't interest rates on their own....it's a combination of them, consumer confidence and disposable income....the latter 2 are in the doldrums and show no signs of improving.