Lizziedjango

I do not know what Louisa means when she says 'breastfeeding women making a point of it'. I'd say it's a rarity a woman doing that. More often, they are self conscious and paranoid fearing the kinds of attitudes that prevail against what they are doing. But I also agree that it is one's right not to want to see a woman breastfeeding. Even though I never showed ANY of my breast while doing it, I never did it in front of my father-in-law. In fact, whenever I breastfed in public, you couldn't really tell I was doing it. I respect that it can make some people feel uncomfortable. But I wonder how many (men) feel quite so 'uncomfortable' ogling women's breasts in magazines, newspapers and websites. Hm. **Microbite I have never encountered any women like the ones of which you speak...(Phew).

Domitianus Initially you said the nappy was 'soiled', and now you say it was"soiled, smelly nappy ..... the sight of runny poo exposed for all to see, the delicate aroma of toddler turd drifting to your nostrils and mingling with the subtle flavours of your food and drink." Are you sure you're not exaggerating a little bit? Shame you didn't say anything to the mother though. I wonder what she would have said to you if you had had words with her.>:D<

Ok Mikecg, I take your point re. "If however a mother chooses to feed the baby with her assets in full view...". I agree that it is quite easy to breastfeed discreetly, and that that is the more appropriate option in a public place. One does not have to have one's breasts on display when breastfeeding, and if that is what you found 'offensive' then I can see your point, to some extent. As you say, it is possible to drape a muslin cloth or a scarf over the area...

Mikecg, so you would prefer not to see a woman breastfeeding while you are having your coffee in Cafe Nero? And you then clarify that by saying:- "why not express at home when you are going out?" "Is there such a thing as middle class low life?." I find such comments really quite pathetic and rather offensive, frankly.

Quite agree jrthomas_uk. Can't believe the brouhaha over some woman changing her baby's nappy on a table in an eatery, and as you rightly point out, the hyperbolic language used to express horror over....what is fundamentally not that big a deal. So a baby's bum was on display. Frankly, I can't be @rsed to add anything more on the issue.

I have no problem with this at all. So the woman changed a baby's nappy. And? I agree with *Bob*, if you had a problem yoy should have said something to the woman at the time. I much prefer people who are upfront and confrontational. Honestly, people are so anal in this country. :)

I think Louisa is right in this instance. I cannot get most of what I need and want in East Dulwich, and I have to shop in Clapham and Peckham to buy appropriate things ie. clothes (there are no clothes shops in ED I would EVER buy from e.g. ED, the White Stuff, Dr Boo). I need more practical shops like a department store, some high street shops (God forbid) even. It is not so much that I can't afford shops like JoJomama (whatever it is called), but I would never shop in a place like that, nor any of the nick nack shops in Northcross Rd and LL.

Tatty? Oooh, how very dare you!!!

Cassius, 'Waitrose is not that expensive'. Yes it is. I have compared like for like (same brands etc) in Morrisons and Asda versus Waitrose, and the latter is vastly more expensive. The quality might be good, but you certainly pay through the nose for it!

Why are you 'concerned' Louisa?

Got a postal delivery this morning about 8.30am up Forest Hill Rd. Amazing - we NEVER get post that early! Got my Grazia mag too. Finally.

LOL Honk. It wouldn't 'complete' mine. Far from it. Waitrose is very, very over priced. However, it would most likely do well in ED as many people are prepared to pay over the odds for stuff.

No post for those of us up Forest Hill Rd. Guess they can't be @rsed to deliver 'cause there's a bit of a hill. All very very annoying indeed.

Dreadful, isn't it pearcesa. When we get our mags all the celeb and fashion news will be old hat. It is very distressing. I hope it turns up today.

I simply cannot understand why people are falling for this woman. Why don't you give her her marching orders? I would.

My car got stuck in the ice this afternoon and skidded down the hill. It was pretty scary having no control of the car and a baby in the back. My neighbours came running out...and then another guy who recently moved in near me...they shovelled for ages - over an hour - to get rid of the ice to enable me to get my car parked in its space. Actually that's a lie. I was too scared to park my car myself and begged the neighbour to do it for me, which he did. I am very grateful to them. But actually I am very angry with the council for not gritting my road. Surely this should have been done as a matter of course?

I am so annoyed. My Grazia magazine was supposed to come through the post yesterday. :(

Horniman was closed just now, but loads of people sledging down Westwood Park!!!! And I mean LOADS!!!

Is St Francesca Cabrini open?

It's NOT a one off! It happens a lot!!!!

GGGrrr! I cannot understand why the council has not made this area a double yellow route. There are so many idiots who park their cars right on the Barry Rd/Underhill Rd intersection making it impossible for cars to pass by. I had this problem again this evening as a black Fiat car was blocking the way. It makes it impossible to see oncoming traffic coming down Barry Rd - and cars crossing cannot continue down Underhill Rd. I ended up in a mammoth traffic jam - AGAIN. This is beyond annoying.

Well said Louisa. I agree with most of what you say, especially:- "the mediocre overpriced gift shops that have swamped LL in the last 10 years." Had to laugh at "what could have gone in it's (Morrison's) place? A wig hypermarket perhaps?". LOL. :)

Keef, I am not surprised that someone you know, who owns one of the ED shops, has said they are "selling a load of frilly cushions to housewives with far too much time and money". I find that all rather indicative of some parts of the area.

Moos - thank you for your considered question. No I am not suggesting the person in question was 'wrong to feel afraid'. I am just wondering if she would have felt AS afraid if the chap had been very good looking/young/white? I think that is also Honk's point (the pointing out of the man's colour). Matthew123 "Lizziedjango it is completely different what happened, see original post. If this "admirer" has later followed you down a side street and said 'dont be scared' and then met each one of your side steps to pin you into a corner would you have taken it so easily? Of course not." Yes, you are right Matthew. I would have been afraid if that had happened. I am sorry that the person in question had that encounter, but thankfully nothing more menacing happened.

I read the original posting with interest and then recalled something that happened to me about 3 weeks ago in Forest Hill Rd SE22 outside the Co-op. It was about 8PM so dark, and not many people around. A VERY good looking WHITE guy ran over to me and gave me a bear hug and a smacker on the cheek. He said I was 'beautiful' and just loved the shirt I was wearing(!). I expect he had had a bit to drink, but who knows?! I found it extremely flattering if I am honest - but would I have felt the same if he had been less attractive? I wonder. I am married anyway, and my mother-in-law witnessed it all from outside the cashpoint. She found it very funny. I am wondering if there is much difference between this incident and the one of which the OP tells. There is certainly one difference: I was flattered and found it funny; the other person was terrified. Hm.