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Collar Stays On - Massive Attack

Makes EDF sound a little bit mental though...

I am devastated by the news. So very very sad, indeed I am feeling a tad tearful. An incredible guy who made some of the best songs ever, plus I had the massive privelige of seeing him live in the 80s. Not sure which song of his or the Velvets is my favourite, but I had my New York mix on this afternoon (Beasties, Talking Heads, Ramones, Richard Hell etc etc) before I heard he'd died, and this came up:-

I was under the influence of a major acid trip in Hackney, so it was a very strange night indeed! I remember seeing a sheet of corrugated iron fly past the window, and wondering if I was hallucinating or not...

Flight - A Certain Ratio

The Sun Ain't Gonna Shine Any More - The Walker Brothers

Rain in Lover's Lane - Bertha Colbert

Warwick Avenue - Duffy

tallulah71 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > should've plastered them with Kath Kidston prints > - then no-one would be moaning...;) Except anyone with a modicum of taste.

Sh!t, I'm sorry to hear that emilyr0se. Hope you and yours are OK.

*Bob* Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Wise old Chinese proverb say 'If you're going to > look in the toilet, you're going to find shit.' Erm, what, the internet? Twitter/FB/social media sites in general? GBBO? Erm, I'm lost.

*Bob* Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > That's what I thought. > > So.. From cakes to n*****s in only three pages. > Good work people. Via the incredibly nastiness of some people for whom a cake show can only be improved by aiming rape jokes, disgusting insults and wishes of insane violence at one of the competitors, and indeed her family. Good work, some unspeakable human beings.

*Bob* Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > So the contestants make cakes and stuff - and then > someone decides which ones are the nicest? Pretty much. It's got a quite engaging pair - Mel & Sue - presenting, and Paul Hollywood and Mary Berry judging. It's funny, interesting, undemanding, and endearingly British.

maxxi Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > a fish Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > It's the prejudice it's still Ok to laugh > about, > > misogyny. Compare it to the uproar caused when > one > > moans or makes nasty jokes about fags and > niggers. > > > Or the uproar caused by those unable to refer to > gay or black people without using such words? > > ETA: Y'see I'm sure you meant "jokes that use > unacceptable terms like..." or maybe meant to put > inverted commas around both words, but by not > doing so you you can easily be misinterpreted; > pedantry perhaps but there IS a case for the > proper use of grammar, punctuation etc. I did think about apostrophes, or even asterisking some letters, but decided it'd have a better impact this way?

It's the prejudice it's still Ok to laugh about, misogyny. Compare it to the uproar caused when one moans or makes nasty jokes about fags and niggers.

Loz Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > a fish Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > if you examine the other posts these dickless > > little boys have made from the safety of their > > stinking bedrooms > > See? You did it again. You are being the person > you are complaining about. I did it on purpose. Or is it not obvious to you?

david_carnell Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Loz Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > david_carnell Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > I'm embarrassed to share a chromosone with > > them. > > > > I'm fairly sure you have at least one > chromosome > > in common with every human. And who you choose > to > > share you chromosomes with is, frankly, your > own > > business...! > > > > But assuming you meant they are also male, I'm > > tempted to ask ... how do you know? > > You think there are lots of woman posting rape > jokes? Sadly, I was recently told a rape joke by a woman. The other women in the group that evening gave her an incredibly hard time about it.

Loz Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > a fish Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > ... posted by dickless little boys from the > safety of their stinking bedrooms > > Yeah, see that language like that doesn't really > help your argument, does it? > > But, your definitions posted above are absolutely > correct, your use of them not correct. 'Hatred of > a woman' is not the same as 'hatred of women'. And > that is pretty much the crux of my point. No, I don't think this is hatred of a woman, not if you examine the other posts these dickless little boys have made from the safety of their stinking bedrooms, for them it's hatred of women, pure and simple, it's misogyny, not sexism. And like david_carnell, they make me ashamed of my gender. Also, if you examine the abuse Ruby got from posters who could be positively identified as women, it was far more general abuse, nowhere near as specifically misogynist as the abuse that came from posters who could be positively identified as men. And yes Tr? , the first bit of my post was in answer to you, making the same point as Red Devil's, though the rest of my post was for everyone. Sorry, I should have separated it into paragraphs.

It may not reflect all of society ? nothing does ? but it does reflect ?a? society. I have a friend who?s currently getting an awful lot of cyber abuse, mostly misogynist, on twitter, FB and elsewhere, for the crime of being a woman with an opinion. She had Photoshops depicting her being raped sent to her email address, she?s had poems about her beheading posted, and many, many ?jokes? about her being violently raped and killed. Ruby?s abuse wasn?t quite as bad as that, but it was misogynist and violent, and whether or not it was posted by dickless little boys from the safety of their stinking bedrooms doesn?t matter, it was still misogynist abuse. Tell you what, pop onto twitter, and find a user called @RAPEHERNOW. Then come back and we?ll have a good old laugh about rape jokes.

Loz Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > a fish Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > No, I think she used it perfectly; being called > a whole variety of women hating words - t4rt, > wh0re, > > sl4g, @#$%&, etal - smacks of misogyny, as does > the accusation that she used feminine tears and > > flirted with Paul Hollywood to get further in > the competition. The social media hatred of her > was > > really quite astonishing, to be honest, and just > about every anti-Ruby tweet that I saw - and I > saw > > a good few - used language designed to denigrate > her as a woman. > > Still not misogynistic. Sexist comments, perhaps, > but not misogyny. > > Besides, how does it compare with just about every > X-factor contestant... male or female? Or even > anyone who ever went on ANY reality programme? How > does it sit with comments about Ben Cohen on > Strictly? Or Jeremy Clarkson? Or even the Boris > article in the Guardian last week? > > Loads of sexism - but not misogyny/misandry. I don't know, I've never watched X-Factor, and I don't follow its Twitter feed. I do, however, watch GBBO, and I saw how much misogynist hatred was aimed at Ruby; misogynist, not sexist. Here, check these definitions out:- Misogyny - http://www.thefreedictionary.com/misogyny Sexism - http://www.thefreedictionary.com/sexism The language I saw about Ruby denigrated her as a woman, using the language of misogyny - the hatred of women - to do so. I can't cut and paste it to this place because of the swearing filters, but go have a look on Twitter, and be shocked at the depths to which some people will sink. As to abuse aimed at Clarkson, he's set himself up as a target, he's a public figure who delights in annoying people to the extent that he gets a lot of slagging off - nothing to do with misandry - whereas Ruby is a woman, a non celeb, who went on a learning curve reality show, and quite a gentle little show it is too, and had rape jokes made about her. Bit of a difference, eh?

No, I think she used it perfectly; being called a whole variety of women hating words - t4rt, wh0re, sl4g, cnut, etal - smacks of misogyny, as does the accusation that she used feminine tears and flirted with Paul Hollywood to get further in the competition. The social media hatred of her was really quite astonishing, to be honest, and just about every anti-Ruby tweet that I saw - and I saw a good few - used language designed to denigrate her as a woman.

Saila Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Fantastic article 'comment' from ruby in that > guardian link - good for her! Agreed. I watched every episode, and I never saw her trying any other strategy but baking stuff to the best of her ability. And as for her misusing the word 'misogyny' Loz, how do you suggest she use it properly?

I agree on both counts. Bake-Off is good fun, F1 is a tedious waste of time that's even more boring than football.

To be ever so slightly more sympathetic than KK above, I have to say that this reinforces that hard and fast rule; if you want building and/or maintenance work done, always get a recommendation, it's worth its weight in gold. If only there was some sort of local forum where one could ask for such a thing...

At a mate's place in CP, getting full signal on EE. For a change.