Thank you chartwell for the link to Southwarks veiw on trapping foxs... I'm horrified we could be outside the law in our approach to the pest problem. Needless to say we wont be using that method again however successful it was. We are far more worried of turning into the pariah of the district. Not twenty minutes ago while queing in Somerfields two women slightly ahead of me were saying how disgusted they were at the thought of what the poor foxs had been subjected to and what she would like to do if she had the chance. Her language was less than christian paricularly as between them they had three small children looking wide eyed and upset. I was so red faced I had to leave the que pretending I'd forgotten something. As for the pit thing, it was'nt really a pit. It was just a hole our cleaner agreed to dig for a little extra money. She had no problem with what we were doing and said where she comes from they did much the same thing or just shot them (shes from Kuznetsk, Russia). I can assure all in the forum we will never do anything like this again and as my partner is now a dab hand with a catapult and ballbarings we certainly have no need.:-$