Now I have looked again I can see that the link I mentioned was obviously from you so sorry to direct you back to your own work!!!!! In my thread, the time period I was referring to was circa 68-70 when I went to St. John's and St. Clements Primary School in North Cross Road and we used to go and see "the man with the guitars on his wall". That school, as I somewhat cynically alluded to,has gone the way of so much of ED and is now also flats, with one on the market for circa One Million. Its beyond all comprehension really. Court Lane, Frank Dixon Close, Alleyn Park Road, they used to be the roads with the million pound properties (and deservedly so) when I was a boy (oh dear all our yesterdays, Tom Browns schooldays etc etc!!). Incidentally, I thought Francis lived in Mayo Road (linking Perry Vale with Sydenham ) before moving to where he is now but perhaps this was after/before Lowther Hill. Also, when they separated/divorced. Jean used to visit her sister I believe it was in CPR quite frequently, in the then newly built block of flats between Whately and North Cross and are on the opposite side of CPR to the medical centre. Bygone days Johnnyboy, bygone days!!!