roywj

The difference is that the majority on my street voted for a CPZ and the majority on yours voted against one. The current situation is not tolerable and getting worse where I live with the new school, existing schools closing car parks, sixth formers driving to school, commuters including the train station users, Health centre and long term parking. I do sympathise but the vote needs to be accepted.

worldwiser Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Our street is also clear today when it's usually > choked. We will be one street outside the new > proposed zone and, along with the dozen > surrounding streets I usually try to park on, we > will no doubt be the recipient of all your > unwanted cars. > > Why should we be made to suffer this additional > burden simply to enable half of ED to get what it > wants? Even if we're not living in that zone, why > can't we have a permit to park in your streets? > It's the most utterly utterly selfish, > anti-community direction this issue could take and > unspeakably unfair. Why should my street remain congested to keep yours clear? If you or your neighbours did not vote for the CPZ then you need to accept the result.

first mate Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Cllr McAsh wrote > Ed_pete -" I emphasised that the consultation > asked people if they wanted a CPZ on their road > because there is some misinformation being > circulated to say that 68% of people in East > Dulwich do not want a CPZ in East Dulwich. We do > not know how many people in East Dulwich want a > CPZ on Derwent Grove (for example) because only > the people on Derwent Grove were asked this. I > suspect that the majority of people on streets > like Heber Road (for example) have no strong > feeling on this subject, despite being quite > opposed to there being a CPZ on their own road. > However, what we do know is that the majority of > people on Derwent Grove do want a CPZ on Derwent > Grove. And the majority of people in the area I > have proposed above want a CPZ on their road too." > > > In general, if a resident does not want controlled > parking in their own street it is unlikely they > will want CPZ anywhere close because of the risk > of displacement. Southwark Council know this and > it is precisely the reason why we were not asked > about CPZ for the whole area but on a street by > street basis, because the answer would have been a > resounding 'no thanks', just as it was at the last > CPZ consultation- which was not so long ago. So > unlike Cllr McAsh, I suspect residents on Heber > Road may be very interested in CPZ on other roads > in ED, just as the majority of residents who > participated in the consultation probably are. The last CPZ consultation you are referring to (2012) covered a much smaller area around Grove Vale. I live in one of the roads which supported this current CPZ proposal and we were not involved in the previous consultation you have mentioned. To be clear this is the first CPZ consultation we have had the opportunity to vote for. Accept the result that a number of streets around East Dulwich Station, Charter School East and Dulwich Hospital support a CPZ. The Cllr was very clear from the start that is was not an all or nothing approach. I do not understand why a person living outside of the CPZ area would want to impose their will on the people living within it? Today I have noticed how clear the streets are around where I live and I look forward to the CPZ being implemented.

Charles Martel Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > roywj Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > >[...] > > The private schools are already on holiday this > > week and I have already noticed a significant > > reduction in congestion where I live. Air > quality, > > in turn, will be improved. > > How exactly will a CPZ in East Dulwich reduce the > number of cars doing the school run? It will limit the number of commuters including; 6th formers & school staff (not limited to teachers) driving to/from school and parking up all day in the area.

Catalytic converters reduce the pollutants but they are still present. Additionally, pollution is not just what comes from the exhaust, there is pollution from the wear and tear of the tyres and brake pads. That's why electric cars are not perfect. If petrol was as perfect as some make out then we would not need electric. The private schools are already on holiday this week and I have already noticed a significant reduction in congestion where I live. Air quality, in turn, will be improved.

The ULEZ will help with air pollution from diesel cars but most petrol cars will be unaffected. The CPZ is required to improve our air quality

I think the bins were probably removed as they were being abused and it was creating an eye sore up there. Same reason Sainsbury's removed their bins.

Reg Smeeton Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Some perspective - in 1985 an off-duty policeman, > George Hammond, was stabbed at a very similar > location on Lordship Lane. And I think that was > late evening rather than the small hours. I'd say > East Dulwich felt less safe then than it does now > (in those days the East Dulwich Tavern was a > hang-out for crooks, for example).

Eileen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Galileo Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Penguin68 Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > Would rather pay to guarantee parking,... > > > > > > That's not what's on offer. You will be > > competing > > > with all other 'residents' - which may, > > depending > > > on the size of the zone, be quite a few, and > > > include families with multiple cars, if they > > can > > > afford it - for many fewer parking spaces, > > > absolutely (because of the double yellows > etc.) > > By > > > all means vote for a CPZ but do not think > that > > it > > > offers any kind of guaranteed parking, and > > > certainly not necessarily close to your home. > > The > > > 'offer' of 40% additional spaces (once others > > have > > > been forced out) is not based on any forecast > > or > > > experience of ED - but is based on other > > studies > > > -possibly of residential only areas close to > > > stations where there is a high incidence of > > > through commuters - and does not take into > > account > > > the draconian imposition of extended double > > yellow > > > everywhere. > > > > However if you can currently park of an evening > or > > a weekend then you can make an informed choice > as > > to the likelihood of being able to park in a > CPZ. > > Hi Galileo - do you mean that if it is still very > difficult to park in the evenings and into the > night that a CPZ during the day isn?t much help? > > That is the problem in my street (Nutbrook in > Bellenden). I was told by Joanne the Council > project manager for this that they are probably > mostly residents in streets nearby in Peckham town > centre CPZ parking in our street rather than > getting a permit as we are the closest without > controls at the moment. We just won?t know until a > CPZ is implemented if that is true since no one > seems to have any evidence for who it is parks in > our streets all day and all evening and all > night... A good indication will be if the cars ever move. I've noticed a few arrive on our road which were parked long term in another road which now has a CPZ. They havent really moved since arriving but if they do it's usually on a Friday evening returning back onto our road on Sunday ready for the new week ahead.

Parents are still able to drive and park, just not right outside the school. From my experience this has made the roads much safer as parents are not parking inconsideratly, causing jams or racing to get their child to school just in time.

Yes, a number of parents will continue to drive to school but from my experience I have noticed many taking alternative forms of transport including: walking and cycling. The closure of the road outside the school helps to reduce pollution in and around the school. I have noticed it has been much safer walking my child to school in the mornings with the road closure. If residents need to get in/out a member of the school team is on the road to quickly move the barrier for access. Does not appear to have affected traffic in the area as only in force for short period morning and afternoon. Agree with a school by school approach as best way to slowly implement, giving people chance to adapt. May be trickier to implement with schools on main roads. We need to do as much as we can do reduce pollution and improve road safety in the area, particularly for our children.

Hemingway Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > roywj Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Jimlad48 gives a good insight. > > > > If you are unsure about the effects of a CPZ > being > > implemented in East Dulwich have a look at the > > positive effect it has had locally in areas > such > > as Herne Hill, Sunray Avenue, roads on the > Denmark > > Hill Estate and last week Village Way. Even have > a > > look on google maps and you will see a huge > > difference. > > > > People are also missing the fact that there are > a > > lot of cars parked up that do not move for > months > > at a time. I've noticed that many have been > moved > > from Village Way onto East Dulwich Grove taking > up > > valuable parking spaces. These are in addition > to > > a number that have been parked on the road > listed > > for sale but never seen to be sold. I > understand > > there was a similar issue on East Dulwich Road. > A > > CPZ will end these issues. > > > None of those areas have a strong, big independent > retail high street which will be damaged by CPZ Peckham, Walworth, Camberwell, Borough High Street Brixton are all surviving and thriving with CPZs. I would argue that a CPZ will benenfit shops in Lordship Lane, especially is it is a two hour CPZ as offered as an option. It will limit all day commuter parking and stop long stay parking (months at a time from other areas freeing up more space for shoppers at other times. We are now surrounded by other CPZs and the situation will only get worse without our own CPZ. I look forward to it being implemented.

Jimlad48 gives a good insight. If you are unsure about the effects of a CPZ being implemented in East Dulwich have a look at the positive effect it has had locally in areas such as Herne Hill, Sunray Avenue, roads on the Denmark Hill Estate and last week Village Way. Even have a look on google maps and you will see a huge difference. People are also missing the fact that there are a lot of cars parked up that do not move for months at a time. I've noticed that many have been moved from Village Way onto East Dulwich Grove taking up valuable parking spaces. These are in addition to a number that have been parked on the road listed for sale but never seen to be sold. I understand there was a similar issue on East Dulwich Road. A CPZ will end these issues.

rahrahrah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Perhaps we could build a wall around ED and stop > anyone from driving here. We want local roads for > local people. We already have a toll gate!

Parking has become worse as other CPZs are introduced in surrounding areas. This will only get worse as other schemes are introduced in other areas. From what I have read traders are mainly concerned about how they will get to work in the morning. They will be able to pay and display. Lordship Lane is mainly visited by local people and a CPZ will not affect trade. In fact a CPZ will free up parking to allow more people visit from outside. Commuters simply park up all day and are not around to spend money in Lordship lane, meanwhile blocking space for visitors. East Dulwich has poor air quality and this is not helped by it becoming a car park for commuters, car salesmen and people avoiding CPZ charges in their own areas. If the CPZ is not implemented it will only get worse.

ed_pete Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > .. And what are you going to do them. Sit back and > admire the space? Breathe in the cleaner air due to less congestion

Village Way CPZ was implemented this week and already there is a huge increase in the number of parking spaces available.

TheArtfulDogger Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Abe_froeman Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Interesting point Spider and Rye Lane is chocka > > block with small one off independent businesses > > that survive in spite of their parking > > restrictions. > > And rye lane also has proper car parks which helps > people from out of town park 🤔 Both Rye Lane and Lordship Lane have good transport links, trains and plenty of buses. People do not always need to travel by car, however a CPZ will free up parking around Lordship Lane to facilitate the car drivers.

I am supporting the CPZ following the experience of family members that have had a 12-2 CPZ introduced in their area. The introduction of a CPZ drastically increased the number of parking spaces available. This means that they are able to have visitors including tradespeople attend their property more easily. Previously there was no parking available in their area. The roads with the CPZ appear cleaner, Prior to the CPZ there were many cars that were parked long term and street cleaners were unable to clean effectively. I remember seeing compost where leaves had decomposed underneath cars that were parked months at a time! Some members of the forum are trying to make this a resident v commuter/service provider battle. However, they are missing the fact that there are a lot of cars parked long term on our streets in this area. This includes; cars for sale, people parking from other CPZ zones avoiding the charge in their area, collectors (there are some where I live) and abandoned cars. I personally think that a 11-1 or a 12-2 CPZ will help the businesses in and around Lordship Lane. I am within walking distance but I know plenty of people who live a bit further away who will not visit as they are unlikely to get a parking space. The CPZ will free up a lot of spaces from long term parking and commuters. Some commuters will still be able to park in the area if they decide pay in the limited number of pay and display zones. I understand that this is a lot less than available before but why should East Dulwich be a car park for people living outside the area to catch trains from East Dulwich? Commuters are able to catch trains buses closer to where they live. I have heard of people driving in from Kent to save money on their annual season ticket. This causes unnecessary congestion and air pollution in our area. Air pollution is a concern for schools in the area and any method which reduces this has my support.

We are in full support of a CPZ. We live near Alleyn's & JAGs schools and have teachers, school staff parking here all day. In addition the new Charter school due on East Dulwich Grove will add to the parking pressure in the area. Furthermore, there is a problem with non residents leaving cars parked long term in the area. The areas around Herne Hill & Sunray Gardens seem much improved since the introduction of their CPZ. Roads much cleaner and more desirable as less congested.

Same here, no internet or TV this morning on East Dulwich Grove.

I agree with ZT's suggestion. Having three separate phases will enable traffic to flow from Greendale and Calton Avenue more smoothly and this will actually save time for road users. The Greendale/Calton Avenue junctions do not directly face each other causing problems for road users. I find the three separate light phases works well at Camberwell Grove, which also gets very busy in the morning. The congestion caused by the school coaches should also be considered during this consultation. I am shocked at the way they are allowed to block Townley Road. Parking the coaches on Greendale is not a viable option either, it is simply not big enough and there is already a problem with drivers double parking during rush hour.