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Was walking down Greendale earlier and could see a large gathering for a children?s football match in the cages. Was about 100 people there including parents gathered cheering etc. Looking at their website the club is closed, did anyone else notice it?

Cameras are already in place. Townley Road has a white one set further back from the junction. Tickets been issued since 1 December KidKruger Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I?d guess either because (when enforcement cameras > are in place) it?ll generate more fines, or > specifying date ranges / conditions for > restrictions is too much hassle to put on a sign. > Or both. > > Metallic Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Someone has vandalised the planters in Dulwich > > Village. No doubt anyone who has ever > disapproved > > of the junction closure will now be under > > suspicion by the Friends of Dulwich Square.

Not sure - worth reporting to the local Police and/or Southwark Anti Social Behaviour (SASBU)

Surprising how many drivers are still going through the Village and Townley road during the closure times. I wonder how much each fine costs and how many have been fined already.

Do they have disabled parking at the centre? Do disabled drivers also need to register to avoid a fine?

Hillsboro road being turned into a school street as well. Signs have gone up but partially covered

Anyone else noticed the old Blue SAAB which seems to be moved around the area and is parked for years on end? It was parked on Village Way for around 3 years until they brought in the CPZ and was moved to East Dulwich Grove for another few years until that CPZ came in. Today I saw it on Rosendale Road parked in the middle of a new cycle lane so expect it will soon move again! Shame as it is a bit of a classic but has been left to deteriorate over the years. Others have noticed it too, see the link below from when it was on East Dulwich Grove

There was a bad water leak on Terborch Way, East Dulwich Grove today. Thames water & LFB attended. See photo attached.

Price goes up after first set of 10 visitor permits within 1 year https://www.southwark.gov.uk/parking/parking-permits/on-street-permits/visitor-s-parking-permits

Rockets Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I believe that Nunhead right turn now won't be > possible with this closure as it is closing the > Nunhead fork to anything but buses and bikes so > not sure where cars trying to turn right onto East > Dulwich Road will be supposed to go when these > measures get the inevitable greenlight. > > Surely this will displace traffic along Barry Road > that will be forced to cut down Upland? > > Another case of robbing Peter to pay Paul? Or am I > missing something? It seems the Peckham Rye > closure is designed solely to stop any right turns > from Peckham Rye onto East Dulwich Road. And how > do residents of Whorlton Road and, in particular, > Nunhead Crescent get access? > > What is it that the council has about any > east/west travel across Dulwich? It's as if > someone got a big red marker and told the roads > team - draw a red line on any route east west and > work out how we can close it. Yes pre existing no right turn where Kings on Rye use to be (15+years) and plans will stop drivers going up the other branch of Peckham Rye to turn right to get onto East Dulwich Road. This leaves the only options either going up Barry Road or going on the one way system and turning left onto Nigel road or turning right onto Kinsale road. All these options will result in increased traffic on narrow back streets - cannot see the point of this at all!

Batch 4 out now http://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/mgIssueHistoryHome.aspx?IId=50023738&Opt=0

?For residents its only other residents and their visitors parking in the all day zone?. Not always the case as commuters may park and pay online/via telephone from work for the two hour parking window. Fortunately not all bays are shared use to prevent this problem. AylwardS Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > N dulwich northerner > > I?d not realised about the borough boundary. > > There is a difference as a visitor to the area > looking for parking - isn?t one of the things a > CPZ is meant to do to improve parking availability > for residents? It did near us. When I need to make > a daytime visit to the Herne Hill area there is a > choice. You have to find a bay you can pay in that > is free in the all day zone or you time your visit > and park in the two hour zone outside of the > hours it operates. For residents its only other > residents and their visitors parking in the all > day zone. > > I chose to time my visit for free parking and went > to a couple of shops I wouldn?t have if I?d parked > in the all day zone which was closest to where I > was going.

I?m now unsure whether there has been much displacement. Had a look around top of Lordship Lane, surrounding roads and roads off of Townley Road about 9.30am this morning and there were plenty of parking spaces available. Surrounding roads at the bottom of Lordship Lane were busy but nothing unusual there, those roads were always busy pre lockdown. Spartacus Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Does anyone know if there is a model for what > happens to the displaced "commuters" > > Whilst I suspect they drift from free zone to free > zone as New CPZs are introduced, where do they go > eventually ? > > It's obviously not on to the buses as passenger > numbers have been falling over the years. > Do they just give up and stop commuting full stop > and at what economic impact ? > > Let's look at Kings College hospital as an > example, CPZs now surround it so how do medical > staff get there ? Have the ones who live further > out but are essential to running the hospital > transferred to hospitals where they can drive ? > > I'm not suggesting any solution or problems but I > would be fascinated to see the modelling around > where people go / how they behave if they can't > commute as before. Is there a study for example > that looks holistically at the impact across the > whole of London. > > You can bet your bottom dollar that no one has > done a wider model than just around each CPZ zone > 🤔 > > "Curious and curiouser" said Spartacus

Thanks Sallybuying, I know from other areas that they usually remove vehicles after the third ticket. Maybe worth cotacting parking. sally buying Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Posted by roywj Today, 05:02PM > > The health centre and schools were always included > as an issue. I think some people have focused on > Melbourne Grove but the CPZ covers a greater area > than that. > > CPZ creep is natural and we suffered even when > surrounding areas only introduced 12-2, 11-1 etc. > If you live around Lordship Lane then you can vote > for two hour windows when you get the opportunity > again. > > There is also a big problem with people selling > cars on the road, long term cars parked which > never move, abandoned vehicles etc. The CPZ solves > all of these issues as well. > > We have parked vans in our street festooned with > parking ticks and have been there for months. > > Dont hold your breath. > > I was against the CPZ in our street but am now a > confirmed fan. Life is much better.

Lordship Lane is not in the CPZ area so will be unaffected. A lot of people commenting on the CPZ who do not actually live within the zone. Sounds like sour grapes to me. Rockets Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > first mate Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Yes, well you might but it was always argued > that > > commuter parking was the central issue, this > could > > have been dealt with by the time limited > option. > > Goodness, we had tales of commuter stalkers in > > cars harassing householders and all sorts. The > > health centre and schools were never mentioned. > > The all day CPZ has facilitated CPZ creep in a > way > > that was never necessary. > > Why they didn't go for the 2-hour window is beyond > me - but then again we know what the real > motivation for this is - another example of the > council not listening to the constituents. > > We will soon find out how much of the problem was > commuter related because if those who were > lobbying for it on the basis of commuters were > right we will see huge swathes of empty spaces > around the station. > > I really worry about the impact on Lordship Lane > as the combined factors of the creep from the CPZ > and now the horrendous congestion caused by the > closures will have a detrimental impact.

Yes often around 10 years to get another vote as I understand its an expensive process doing a consultation jimlad48 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > roywj Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > I live in the new CPZ zone, neighbours and I > are > > already very happy with the effect it has had. > > However I can understand people in other areas > > being unhappy with the knock on effect, we > > suffered the same here when neighbouring zones > > were introduced. > > > > > > Abe_froeman Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > Can we request the removal of a parking zone > to > > > put things back to how they were? That would > be > > > far better. > > This is the inevitability of CPZs - they dislocate > traffic and make you realise just how many people > who aren't residents are parking in some areas. I > suspect many areas that voted 'no' for a CPZ will > soon rue the day this happened.

Bit over the top. Many of the schools around here have their own parking, good train stations local as mentioned, bus links or even get the coach with the pupils they will be teaching that day, which I understand come from all over London. Penguin68 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > there are the schools and health centre nearby so > the longer hours are much more suitable. > > Yes, whatever we do, let's make sure none of the > teaching or medical scum can park up close to > serve our needs, let the b**gars walk, preferably > crawl on their hands and knees to serve us. Or > maybe they'll get work where they can 'commute' > more easily. And not bother us with their so > called expertise and 'caring'.

The health centre and schools were always included as an issue. I think some people have focused on Melbourne Grove but the CPZ covers a greater area than that. CPZ creep is natural and we suffered even when surrounding areas only introduced 12-2, 11-1 etc. If you live around Lordship Lane then you can vote for two hour windows when you get the opportunity again. There is also a big problem with people selling cars on the road, long term cars parked which never move, abandoned vehicles etc. The CPZ solves all of these issues as well. first mate Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Yes, well you might but it was always argued that > commuter parking was the central issue, this could > have been dealt with by the time limited option. > Goodness, we had tales of commuter stalkers in > cars harassing householders and all sorts. The > health centre and schools were never mentioned. > The all day CPZ has facilitated CPZ creep in a way > that was never necessary.

The train station is not the only source of parking, there are the schools and health centre nearby so the longer hours are much more suitable. Given that we would be paying the same price for either scheme I see it as a no-brainer having the longer coverage. first mate Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Yes, but the commuter parking issue, arguably an > inevitable and entirely forseeable side effect of > choosing to live close to a train station, could > have been mitigated by time limited CPZ, which > could have meant those living by the station would > have had a solution and other nearby streets would > not have been made to suffer displacement to the > same degree. However, this reasonable and > even-handed option was rejected.

I live in the new CPZ zone, neighbours and I are already very happy with the effect it has had. However I can understand people in other areas being unhappy with the knock on effect, we suffered the same here when neighbouring zones were introduced. Abe_froeman Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Can we request the removal of a parking zone to > put things back to how they were? That would be > far better.

That's fair, plenty of warning for those use to parking there and much better than getting a fine. ED_moots Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Someone I know spoke to wardens today and they're > issuing warnings today (which look like tickets). > > Small comfort.

Lots of tickets issued today

Businesses can buy permits and there are not many located within the CPZ, Lordship Lane & nearly all surrounding side roads are still free for all parking. eastdulwichhenry Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > So they made these zones 8:30am to 6:30pm did > they? I thought the plan was for a shorter 2-hour > zone to prevent commuters using the station, while > not disrupting businesses which need cars to park > for picking up heavy items etc.

There is clearly significantly more traffic at a standstill during rush hours in Dulwich Village travelling towards the crossroads at Village Way/EDG/Red Post Hill. This will get worse when schools return and will increase pollution for Dulwich Infants, Dulwich Hamlet & JAPs schools. There is also clearly significantly more traffic at a standstill during rush hours on East Dulwich Grove looking to turn right into Townley Road. This again will get worse when the schools return and will increase pollution for JAGs. Both issues above can be clearly linked to the road closure on Calton Avenue. I understand that there was a traffic problem on Calton Avenue but closure of the road has created the problems above affecting pollution levels outside local schools.

No difference to any other noise nuisance or is ok because it?s a certain type of music being played each week? Maybe one week people can have some fun down there with some rave music or a mosh pit, I expect with your reasoning that would be fine too as long as people are having fun and they come by bicycle? thebestnameshavegone Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Yeah, it was so much nicer and safer when it was > an endless chain of white Range Rovers driving > 1.5km trips on Really Important Errands. > > I can't stand people enjoying themselves. > > roywj Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > I understand that gatherings of no more than 30 > > people are allowed. Looks like more than 30 > people > > in the video. I wouldn?t be happy if I lived on > > Court Lane/Calton junction with all that going > on > > outside, think the closure will be losing any > > remaining support with locals.