When I was younger my mum and dad used to take the 5 kids for lunch every sunday and we had to sit at the table and interact with each other. If we were to leave the table, be it at home or when out, we had to ask permission. I now have neices and nephews and my family try and work to the same kind of upbringing. I think some people these days are of the opinion that because their lives revolve round their children everybody elses should too. I am happy to sit in a pub etc if there are children there but do not expect to have to listen to unruley kids. As such, there are some places that I would like to go that I avoid like the plague! Also, to add another bit in to the debate....I moved to London last year and I am utterly disgusted at the number of parents that expect you to get up to offer their child a seat on the bus. Some of the looks you get from people are hilarious. In Scotland, as a child you are expected to get off your seat for adults or if you are too small to stand your parents put you on their knee.