hi Strawbs, I don't open these posts every time, why would I (unless I wanted a plumber) - there is the same lists of names and contact numbers again and again... hi bagbadwolf, I have NOTHING against people enquireing about plumbers (and I am not a plumber, and Ive used the forum's plumber recommendations before) but what annoys me is enquireing about plumbers so many times every day. I undersdatn some users might not know about the search engine, fair enough, but many times you don't even have to do a search as there are the same 'looking for a plumber posts' on one page. anyway I posted it yesterday after seeing three plumber posts on one page and after a broken night, so maybe it wasn't the best idea for a rant. but it still annoys me ;-)